Re: [PeoplewithPVCs] PVCs almost gone!!--NOT mine

2008-10-31 15:50:24

Hi Todd & All
I sure hope your pvc's stay at a minimum or none at all would be even
better! I do get breaks from them lately for a day or so even with NONE
that I could feel all day. Then they come back in runs and it stinks!
Today has been one of those days-all day so far heading for the night. I
just hope I could get to sleep and tomorrow morning they'll be gone again.
I have thought of stopping everything and anything I've been taking to
lately. I don't take it all everyday, but today was soooo bad I took
coQ10-100mg, super evening primrose oil, k-dur..potassium, 1 hawthorn berry,
1 bayer aspirin,... mmmm lets see what else.....centrum multi-vit, I was on
the verge of taking 25mg of metoprolol but didn't, maybe I'll still take a
magnesium. oHH and a zantac 75mg! Let me tell you........I don't know if
it's a coincidence or my left kidney feels like it's in
pain.......seriously!!
Anyone know of potential hazards to taking all this stuff at once?????
any reassurance tonight is DEEPLY appreciated!! :o)))
Barb <slowly going bonkers or becoming a hypocondriac pill junkie--or both
:o))

Re: [PeoplewithPVCs] PVCs almost gone!!

2008-10-31 07:00:57

yea!!!!!
Christine

PVCs almost gone!!

2008-10-31 03:33:23

Hello everyone!
I just wanted to update you on what has been going on with me.
After I received the results of my tests back, and they proved to be
non-conclusive, I decided to stop taking ALL supplements - including
my multi-vitamins. Well, after 3 days, my PVCs dropped from more
than 2000 in a 24-hour period to around 20-30 a day!!
I don't know if this was just a coincidence or not, but it is what is
happening. I was taking 1000mg of vitamin E each day, along with a
multi-vitamin. I wonder if too much vitamin E can cause PVCs?
(Amos?)
Of course, this may be a lull ( I hope not ), and the PVCs will come
back later. Do any of you have lulls in your PVCs?
I have also prayed about it, and have had A LOT of wonderful people
in my church praying for me, so maybe that is helping too!
In any case, I am not complaining. I just hope they stay away. So
far, they have been at the 20-30 PVCs/day mark for almost 4 days now.
I'll let you know what happens!
Todd

Re: [PeoplewithPVCs] colds, etc.

2008-10-31 02:08:18

It is hard for people to reassure you when you are having scarey symptoms
like that. I know I either have to get it checked out or deal with it all
by myself. I have had the symptoms that last and last and still last and
then it goes away. I just pray God will go with me on this all and it will
either pass or I will go see him.
Christine

todd

2008-10-30 15:45:47

Yes, thank you. I have notes now that I keep near by. I just can not
remember that one. But I do not ask no more because I took notes.
Christine

Paxil

2008-10-30 06:33:20

I just thought I would update the group on my experience with Paxil. My PVCs
went away about 4 days after taking paxil. I used 10 mg instead of the
recommended 20 mg after the first week (I wouldn't recommend 20 mg for long).
I stayed on it for about 3 months and then slowly quit it. I have not used
Paxil for 1 month now and the PVCs have not returned. Some of you had
written that there were horrible side effects during withdrawal, but it was
only irritating (strange electric twinges about 5 to 10 times a day for 3
weeks but that's over now). It did not modify my physical vigor at all when
I took it other than seemingly to eliminate my PVCs and make me need more
sleep. I think it is worth a try for some of you.
Best wishes.
Ed

colds, etc.

2008-10-30 05:47:15

Hi! My pvc's always seem worse whenever I'm sick - I think anytime my body
is "tired," they kick in more - maybe something about the heart having to
work harder.
I'm trying to calm myself down. I've been struggling all day long with this
left arm pain and a little bit of jaw pain. I've also had what I'll call
about 4 or 5 "spasms" of chest pain - very quick and then goes away, but the
arm and jaw pain have been quite consistent. In fact, it almost seems as if
the whole left side of my body feels "weird" - no intense pain or anything
(and otherwise, I feel fine.) No lightheadedness, no dizziness, no nausea,
etc.
I know you guys are tired of reassuring me, but I'm having a hard time, and
I'm really sorry.
Majesty

Re: [PeoplewithPVCs] robitussin

2008-10-29 21:09:50

Hi ALL!
Regarding the robitussin, my doc told me last time I was stuffed
up/congested, that the plain robitussin is OK w/palps. Helps with the
drainage, (but just the one w/guiffason (or something like that) not with
the anti-hist... anything).
Hope everyone is doing well.... I was pretty OK past couple of days.
Today seems to be lasting longer....starting to drive me NUTS!!!^%&^%&*^
But I'm not gonna let them! I've been doing pretty good lately w/mind over
matter and breathing, and they let up quicker. I will try to do the same
now, even though they are strong and looonnngggg.
Got a lasagna in the oven I plan on enjoying today!!!
Take Care,
Barb

Re: Chat?

2008-10-29 15:30:29

--- In PeoplewithPVCs@egroups.com, "christine jobe" <CHRISJ817@H...
hey Chrsitine,
How's it gooing?????
We're all here!!!! Tell him how you feel. You will feel much better.
It is not good to carry those bad feelings around. Hope you are
feeling better. Write back to us if ya need to. Or just read the
posts. They are all making me laugh today!! You can't help but laugh!
What a bunch of weirdos!!!! ROTFL!!!!!!!!!!
Mickey

Re: Does a cold make PVCs worse?

2008-10-29 11:21:50

Hi Val,
Usually when I geta cold my pvc's are much more than usual. I have
had a cold now for 3 weeks though and have noticed no more pvcs than
usual this time. I think it is because, most of the time i do not
care much about them anymore...
Gotta go,
mickey
Hello All,

Stomach flu - yuck!

2008-10-29 03:34:43

Poor Suzy! That stomach flu sounds like it was heaps of fun. Thank
God you didn't have PVCs too!!!!!!! I think with the cold it may
have something to do with it being a little more difficult to breath
when you're all stuffed up. Just a thought.
Love,
Val

Re: [PeoplewithPVCs] Chat?

2008-10-28 22:30:00

I mean completely!
Christine
I took a 2nd Klonopin and I am having a time with my heart doing weird
things and my husband comes home for a second and Sh..s, showers and shaves
and either leaves or goes to sleep...and I am very frustrated with him and I
feel trapped. Dang!!!!! I wanna cry. I am so......lonely.

Re: [PeoplewithPVCs(leanne)

2008-10-28 14:05:35

hi leanne, i hope thats not where my pvcs are hanging out. i dont know which
is worse, not being able to walk and in pain or palps. oh well i hope it all
goes away soon.so you feel ok with your extra 2 srones. i know some woman
that feel comfortable with thier weight and they weigh close to 250 . how
comfortable are you? byeee, don

RE: [PeoplewithPVCs] Does a cold make PVCs worse?

2008-10-28 12:04:00

Hi Val,

When my PVC's used to be more of a problem, a cold would always make them worse. Especially if I had a fever, felt all achy or had a bad cough. Last spring I had a REALLY bad case of stomach flu...it swept through my family like wildfire...and with all the upchucking and other things I don't even want to think about, I had no PVC's at all! Go figure.

Suzy

Re: v-tach

2008-10-28 04:14:47

Dear Leanne,
Well I don't know about you, but the fact that he doesn't think
you need meds sounds like good news to me. From a liablility
perspective, if he really thought there was something wrong, he would
be taking a more aggressive approach, right? I'm like you - the fewer
the meds the better. Seems to me like half the time they just make
the situation worse. I'm glad the meds work for some people though.
Take care.....
Love, Val

Does a cold make PVCs worse?

2008-10-27 22:53:05

Hello All,
I was just wondering if any of you noticed that your PVCs are
worse when you have a cold? I have a bad cold right now - sore
throat, stuffy nose, etc..., and the PVCs are really "kicking."
Could just be stress, I know, but I was curious about this because I
don't recall hearing any of you mention this phenomenon. Maybe it's
just my quirk:)
By the way Majesty, I think you asked about left arm, shoulder,
etc... pain. Yes, I do get that. In fact I had been having it for
the past several days, but it seems to have abated. And now I have
the PVCs. Does anyone else ever feel like they go from one symptom
to the next? It gets old after awhile. No matter - I'm grateful
that my problem is only annoying and BENIGN:)) I pray daily for
those folks who have much more serious things to deal with. Take
care everyone. Love to you all.
Val

[PeoplewithPVCs/Suzy..

2008-10-27 20:30:55

Hi Suzy, All it basically says is someone has sent you an e-mail with an
attachment it could be a photo or file caution on opening! LOL
Weird.
Leanne.

Re: [PeoplewithPVCs] for Christine...

2008-10-27 04:44:46

hey thats cool,i better print this out so if anybody starts using these i
will know what they mean. BTW, WTF cant mean "what the heck". ,or it would
read WTH. i wonder what WTF can mean? ROTFL. byee, don

for Christine...

2008-10-27 01:33:00

You might want to print this out and save it! Also, you can click on <http://kb.indiana.edu/data/ablk.html?cust=13612
Lisa
--------

What do BTW, FAQ, FYI, IMHO, RTFM, and other acronyms mean?

These are all abbreviations for specific phrases commonly used in informal written computer correspondence.
AFAIC As far as I'm concerned
AFAIK As far as I know
BRB Be right back
BTW By the way
C/C Comments and criticism
FAQ Frequently Asked Question
FWIW For what it's worth
FYI For your information
HTH Hope this helps
IANAL I am not a lawyer
IMHO In my humble opinion
IMNSHO In my not so humble opinion
IMO In my opinion
IOW In other words
LOL Laughing out loud
OTOH On the other hand
RL Real Life, as opposed to the Internet
ROTFL Rolling on the floor laughing
RTFM Read The "Fine" Manual
TLA Three letter acronym
WTF What the heck
YMMV Your mileage may vary
{g} Grin
{BG} Big grin

[PeoplewithPVCs/Suzy..

2008-10-27 00:08:36

Suzy's posts are "multipart/alternative", her mail program sends information
in HTML (internet) coding that creates color and or pictures, backgrounds,
or borders for the receiver to see. If your mail program is not set to
receive or view messages in HTML format, then the coding would arrive as an
attachment, if you opened it it would be a series of lines of coded text.
That's why some of us see an eGroups animated ad banner at the bottom of
some posts, including Suzy's, and some of us see a text message such as the
one below. (And the one below that, that eGroups will add when I send this!)
"Neighborhood Watch" is something on your computer that is a part of some
antivirus software, allowing you to choose whether you want to open the
attachment. That's a close approximation to an answer anyway!

[PeoplewithPVCs/Suzy..

2008-10-26 10:38:29

Hmmmm....good question 'cuz I don't include attachments. However, I do use HTML mail (Microsoft Outlook), so egroups has added little colorful banners. Maybe that's it.

Re: [PeoplewithPVCs/Suzy..

2008-10-26 10:33:30

Hi Suzy, Ive been wanting to ask you for sometime now, how is it that when I
open a post from you I get the message before hand "neighbourhood watch"
someone has sent a post with an attachment do you want to open it? LOL
Leanne.

Re: [PeoplewithPVCsDon

2008-10-26 08:24:14

Hi Don, well as for me not weighing too much you could be wrong there! LOL
My doc says I am about 2 stones over what I should be for my build and height.
When I told my doc about the feelings I sometimes get in my head
(light-headed)
I also told her of the time I got a loud whoosh.
She said it was a cannonball! LOL certainly felt like one.
Leanne.

Re: [PeoplewithPVCs] tagament/Amos

2008-10-25 20:54:48

Hi Amos, I for one totally agree especially after the other night of
agonising cramps that the digestive system causes havoc with PVCs.
I am infact off to my docs today to let them know that I need to go back on
my Zoton
It seemed to work for me last year so I am going to give it a shot.
Leanne.

todd

2008-10-25 14:50:21

I get the same readings on my EKG strips too. Sometimes they will say
different stuff altogether. Your heart does different things at different
times and.......sometimes mine will say tach and then sometimes mine will
say brady and then times it will say just pvc's.
Who knows,
Christine

todd

2008-10-25 09:37:45

You know I still have to get my notes out to see what BTW means.? Gee-whiz!
Christine

todd

2008-10-25 05:25:04

I live in Texas too!
Christine

RE: [PeoplewithPVCs] information, please....

2008-10-24 18:42:25

Hi Majesty,

I've been on Toprol XL (which is the extended release version you're referring to) at 100 mg in the morning for a few years now. It doesn't seem to have any negative effect on me at all. A long time ago, I was on Inderal LA for awhile and it seemed to increase my PVC's. My doctor explained the advantages of Toprol XL in that it has a steady release of beta blockers so the blood level stays steady throughout the day.

Suzy

Re: Longest PVCer?

2008-10-24 12:47:48

10 years......that i know i have felt them.
mickey
So is this going to be an informal survey? If so, I'm in. But it's
only been a year and a half for me. Laurie

information, please....

2008-10-24 11:02:13

Hi everyone - I have a couple of questions if anyone out there can help me.
I went to the new cardio today - I'm happy to say he was very kind and
understanding. He said he knew the PVCs were "annoying," and I said, "no,
they're not annoying, they're downright scary!!" He was going back and forth
with whether or not he thought I actually had mitral valve prolapse or not,
and I finally told him I really didn't care whether he confirmed it or not, I
just wanted the stupid skips to stop - that they were interfering with my
life. I told him the inderal la had helped a lot, but I was still feeling a
little tired, and I still had the skips occasionally - but not the "runs" of
skips. He told me he wanted me to try a different medication - Toprol 25 mg.
extended release. He said it wouldn't make my heart go crazy (my fear now
that it's better), but he thought it might alleviate the skips totally. He
said a lot of his patients like it better than the inderal because of fewer
side effects. My questions are these - do any of you know anything about
toprol? I'm not sure I completely understand why I should switch when I've
been quite happy with the inderal. Do you think he's pushing it because of
the things you hear about doctors getting "benefits" from pushing certain
drugs? I'm sorry I sound so cynical, but I've been doing so much better, I
just don't know what to do! It would be great to have these same results or
to alleviate the skips altogether AND have more energy, but do I risk it?
Any opinions out there? Thanks! Majesty
P.S. Do any of you ever have left arm pain or jaw pain (I'm probably just
having it because I know it's associated with heart attacks, I don't know.)

RE: [PeoplewithPVCs] Pill search

2008-10-24 00:40:00

Hi Leanne,

I use www.webmd.com a lot. Click on "Consumer" and then have fun.

Suzy

RE: [PeoplewithPVCs] Spicey ?

2008-10-23 22:46:01

Hi Leanne,

I used to get really bad tummy aches which would bring on PVC's partly because of the extreme pain, I think. The pain would make me really tense 'cuz it hurt like heck. I NEVER get those tummy aches anymore because every single morning I have 1 1/2 cups of boring raisin bran for breakfast. Works like magic.<smile

Suzy...who's sorry for grossing anybody out

Pill search

2008-10-23 14:15:48

Hi Guys, Just forgot to ask you. Does anyone know the name of a good site
that I can search for the questions/answers to different types of drugs?
Like, named drugs i.e.:- Beta blockers , etc.
Leanne.

Re: Hi All...

2008-10-23 10:09:46

very very reassuring LISA! Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mickey
It's Lisa here, in Minnesota. I've been reading everyone's posts with
great

Chat?

2008-10-23 07:21:15

Hi Again, Just wondered, do any of you guys still "meet" in the chat room on
wednesdays?
The last time I went at the designated time no one was there! LOL
Could you let me know if its still on and what time it is?
Leanne. (still feeling crampy) LOL

Spicey ?

2008-10-22 22:33:01

Hi Guys, I just wanted to share last nights experience with you all.
I was feeling peckish at approx 8.00 so I thought I would send for an Indian
meal I had a curry, etc. had eaten it by 9.00 so it wasn't that late. I went
to bed around 11.00.
I only got in bed and bang! my stomach, I thought it was going to explode. It
got all crampy feeling but the wind which was causing the cramps refused to
move at all.
The strange thing is mostly at nights my PVCs play up a little but allow me
to sleep.
Not last night it was the worst EVER, every time I got a spasm in my stomach
my heart went thump thump it was as though each time my stomach got this
sharp cramp my heart went with it!
And docs tell me they dont THINK the stomach plays any part in the hearts
irregular role. Well, I for sure guarantee it does. I am so sure of this fact
that I am off to let my GP know the findings on tuesday. Let them tell me one
more time it doesn't and I am going to scream so loud that all you people
will hear me! LOL
Leanne.

Re: [PeoplewithPVCs] indigestion

2008-10-22 19:53:59

Hi Val,
Regarding your indigestion ques. , YES, I often have such extreme
symptoms, that I wonder if it's only indigestion. But each time, they pass
eventually, after taking everything and anything in the house, from
mylantas, alka seltzer, pepcid, zantac....you name it.
Hope you are better!
Take Care
Barb

Indigestion questions

2008-10-22 04:47:59

Hi GG,
Yes - you read correctly - I did have an abnormal pap a few
months ago. In my head I know that would have nothing to do with
ovarian cancer, but when I worry I get a little irrational in my
thinking:)
Does your indigestion ever seem to go into your left arm, upper
back?
Thanks....
Love,
Val

Re: [PeoplewithPVCs] A couple of other thoughts

2008-10-22 02:23:13

Val, I have had indigestion around the time of ovulation. It's quite a
common symptom.
Also a pap test wouldn't show anything about ovarian cancer. Nothing at all.
I think I read that you had an abnormal pap, if I'm confused, please excuse
this note.
GG

A couple of other thoughts

2008-10-22 00:37:59

Hi Again,
Since Dad's illness, I ate very little, and when I did eat, I
didn't eat well. I have also continued with my 2 cups of coffee a
day habit(often with very little food in my stomach). I've also
noticed that these indigestion symptoms occur often around the time
of ovulation. Can you tell I'm trying to convince myself this is
nothing to worry about?
Love,
Val

Re: [PeoplewithPVCs] Amos

2008-10-21 14:29:16

Dear Leanne,
Yes, I did think of becomming a doctor at one time and I actually got the
application forms. But my relationship with my wife anyhow since I was 39
at the time. Now I work for the state public health department. Being a
hypochondriac, I have learned a lot about medicine over the years, since at
one time or another I thought I had almost every disease. - Amos
Amos Oliver Doyle

Amos

2008-10-21 09:34:29

Hi Amos, I just wanted to say I think you have answered a lot of our
questions with thought and a very considerable amount of knowledge. I for one
am very happy you joined out group, it saves having to ask the cardio
questions that otherwise would have slipped my mind at appointments that can
be nerve racking enough! LOL
Keep up the good work! Leanne.
Ps, ever thought of becoming a doc?
LOL.

Re: [PeoplewithPVCs] Pulse/Don

2008-10-21 05:46:24

Hi Don, Yes, I can actually know what my pulse is doing by just feeling how
my heart is beating. I mean, i seem to get the beats now quite regular like
thump,thump,thump then it misses for approx two beats so on average I think I
am missing approx 3 to 5 beats per minute.
My heart seems to go all kind of jelly like though at times and thats when I
get the light headed feeling and my mind is saying come on hurry up and beat
as though my heart as actually packed in for approx 4 to 6 beats and there is
no feeling at all apart from this. (freaks me out still)
Leanne.

todd

2008-10-21 01:38:21

Thanks, Todd - and Amos! I feel a little "sheepish" after that educational
lecture, Amos (just kidding), but you certainly made me feel a lot better -
not to mention "calmer." I've put my medical books AND my stethoscope away -
at least for the night. Seriously, I actually don't own a stethoscope, and
after reading your posts, I think I'll refrain from buying one lest I
convince myself I have some very interesting disease!! (ha!) It's 11:15
p.m., so.....good night, everyone! (: Majesty

todd

2008-10-20 19:01:03

Dear Majesty,
The reason that doctors don't tell you much about your EKG is that it is SO
NORMAL!!!!!!! and there is nothing to tell! Sinus rhythm means NORMAL SINUS
RHYTHM. Sinus rhythm is the normal rhythm of the heart established by the
heart's own pacemaker cells in the atrium. Normal sinus rhythm is probably
somewhere between 50 beats per minute up to 100 beats per minute. Sinus
tachycardia means that the rate exceeded 100 beats per minute but the cause
of the fast rate is because the pacemaker in the atrium is firing off
impulses at a fast rate, probably caused by catacholamines, for example,
Adrenalin. You should be reassured that even though the rate is fast, the
impulse for the fast rate is still coming from the heart's normal pacemaker
cells in the atrium. Sinus tachycardia is a NORMAL rhythm, its just fast. If
you were running and had an EKG, you would have sinus tachycardia. Probably
you had some anxiety when you were taking the test and that fear caused the
production of epinephrine (Adrenalin) making your heart beat fast. Rare PACs
and PVCs means that occasionally your heart beats a little too soon in the
cardiac cycle because of an impulse originating in either the atrium or the
ventricles takes over as the pacemaker, making the heart beat before it
normally would if the normal pacemaker in the atrium caused the impulse. All
in all yours is a very normal EKG. That's why the doctors don't seem too
interested and don't explain anything. There's nothing to say! They just
want to get on to another patient who has some interesting disease; you
certainly don't! - Amos
Amos Oliver Doyle

Re: Majesty

2008-10-20 13:03:20

Majesty,
First of all, don't panic! (I know, it is easier to say than do.)
When I received my Holter results back, it said "sinus rhythm, rare
PAC's,
pretty scary, but the doctor did not seem concerned about it.
My stress-echo was completely normal (except for the PVCs). The
doctors told me I didn't need any further workup. So those ominous
sounding Holter reports are not really that bad.
You have provided me with many words or assurance and comfort, now
hopefully I can do the same for you. I know you will be just fine.
So go out, hug your family, and have a GREAT day!!
Todd (who has hidden his stethoscope in a hard-to-reach place)

todd

2008-10-20 03:43:57

Hey everyone - I think I know who gets PVCs - it's people who own
stethoscopes!!! Just kidding, listen - on a serious note - I need
reassurance, please!! I picked up my records from the cardio who blessed me
out (remember?) because my primary doc is sending me to a new cardio (let's
hope Dr. Kind & Understanding) on Monday. I read my records (of course!),
and it said the holter showed "sinus rhythm, sinus tachycardia, rare PACs and
PVCs"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh my gosh - am I DYING?!!! Amos, somebody, help me out here! The doc said
my holter was "normal," so does that mean that everyone has that stuff I just
listed? Nobody has ever even said the word, "tachycardia" to me before! I
was always comforted by the fact that I JUST had PVCs, and not anything else!
Do you guys see how many exclamation marks I'm using here - I think I may be
going over the edge! (just kidding) On the "up" side, the medicine is still
working great. I've had a couple of days where I've noticed some PVCs, but
most days I don't anymore (I can't believe I'm even saying that - I've had
them for 18 years - I don't beat Lisa, but I'm pretty darn close!) Anyway,
should I be worried (MORE worried)? Why didn't the cardio tell me anything?
She said the holter showed my heart rate got a little fast sometimes, but it
was "still in the normal range." So why do my records say, "tachycardia?"
HELP..........
Majesty

Re: [PeoplewithPVCs] Pulse

2008-10-19 20:11:27

hi leanne, you mean you can just stand there and know what your pulse rate is
without touching your wrist or neck? thats amazing!! i can feel when the
pvcs come but i think a lot of us has to feel our wrist or neck to know what
our heart rate would be. when i was having pvcs i was feeling maybee 1 every
three minutes. but when i checked my pulse i was actually having 4-6 a minute
but didnt feel it untill i checked my pulse. this freaked me out more and
caused more worry. i am glad i finally broke that cycle. talk to you later,
don

Pulse

2008-10-19 15:45:31

Hi All, Just for thought, I dont know why anyone feels the need for pulse
taking as when I am having PVCs I know how fast/slow my heart will be because
I can feel it and I know my pulse rate will be the same!
So, by taking your pulse does it mean anything else?
Hope everyone has a GOOD weekend.
Love, Leanne.

todd

2008-10-19 05:57:19

hi todd, i could feel it also in my throat and chest. when i went to the er
the first time i noticed when i was hooked up on the monitor, that i could
tell them exatly when i was having them. i couldnt predict everyone, so thats
when my pulse taking came in handy. i think i was becoming over obsessive on
that. so after i was checked out with an echo and other tests and they found
nothing serious, i decided not to do anything that would be obsessive. i
still felt them and had a lot of sleepness nights, but eventually i stopped
feeling them. i dont know why they subsided ,maybee cutting out herbs and
vitamins, maybee not caring anymore ,knowing that nothing serious is going to
happen. i dont know, but i am glad. i still dont know if i have them in my
pulse,because i refuse to feel it. ok i am going on to much, bye, don

Re: [PeoplewithPVCs] Longest PVCer?

2008-10-19 01:24:09

I'm sure us 'freshie' PVC-ers are well beaten in record time..... I
'thankfully' I guess, have had them now for about 1 yr and 4mos. It's still
no picnic, but it's been worse!! There a quite a few 10 + yrs out there...
Take Care all
Barb

Re: [PeoplewithPVCs] Hi All...

2008-10-18 20:56:12

Dear Lisa,
Tanks for your post. I got some reassurance from it and I chuckled a little
bit too. It's great that you have a sense of humor about yourself.- Amos
Amos Oliver Doyle

Re: [PeoplewithPVCs] Stress Echo Results, Longest PVCer?

2008-10-18 20:51:44

Hi Todd,
The next step is probably the hardest. Ignore them.
I will venture to say there is no cure for PVCs. I've
had some success with Hawthorn Berry (900 mg/day), but
I still get some. For me "some" is great, because at
times I was having nearly 10,000/day. Bruce has had
some success with prescription strength Tagamet.
I like Don's suggestion to try not to check your
pulse, because it does seem to be true that the more
you check the more you have. I check my pulse
primarily when I sense a great calm feeling coming
over me (I think from the Hawthorn). I'm usually not
having PVCs at all during these calm periods, so from
these spot checks I believe Hawthorn has reduced my
PVCs. However, I still get them sometimes.
Hey at least we're all still kickin', and no one dies
from benign PVCs. In fact, some on this list have had
them for decades. I wonder who has had theirs the
longest (1.5 years for me). Good luck acclimating to
yours.
Rob

todd

2008-10-18 05:08:27

Dear Todd,
Don is right. Try to not take your pulse and throw away the stethascope! (I
bought one too!) I took a stress test also this year and my results were the
same as yours. The PVCs/PACs decreased as I exercised more and got further
into the test. Of course I was nervous and I felt a really BIG one during
the test but no one was concerned. My doctor said that it was a good sign
when the PVCs/PACs decreased or went away with exercise. - Amos
Amos Oliver Doyle

Hi All...

2008-10-18 01:35:25

It's Lisa here, in Minnesota. I've been reading everyone's posts with great
interest. It is really fascinating to see all the common factors AND all the
new ones, it is reassuring to not be the only "perplexed pvc'er" out there.
I wanted to relay to you ALL an experience I had at the doctor yesterday. I
went for a pre-op physical, I am having my *bunion* removed from my right
foot on Thursday. (Please say "bun-yohn" with a French accent, it sounds SO
much more elegant!) I can't wait, it has bugged me for YEARS. Anyway, we
have recently moved, and I have had only one previous visit with this MD, to
establish as a new patient and have what turned out to be a "nothing to
worry about" lump looked at. I did not mention PVC's to him at that time, as
I did not want to taint myself with the "fruitcake factor" on the first
visit, as I seem to have done with the previous doctor. (The one who put me
on the holter, prescribed the Klonopin AND sent me for a $4000 brain scan
instead of telling me my occasional head pains were also common, normal and
likely due to stress. We'll call him Dr. Eyeroll.) This doctor, Dr.
Kind&Understanding, is terrific. We went through my health history in brief
and nothing, I mean NOTHING, freaked him out. I decided not to ask for any
Xanax for the pvc's at this time but told him I'd be RUNNING to him if I
have to get on a plane! He said that was completely NORMAL. When we talked
about my "heart history" he said everything was completely NORMAL.
I can't emphasize this enough: He said absolutely EVERBODY gets pvc's. Some
notice, some don't. Some get more than others. You will love this, he even
said, and I quote: "Benign, benign, benign." Even HE gets them, hurrah!!!
He told me the anesthesia people will have everything monitored and if I get
any at that time it would be absolutely NORMAL, just nice for them to know
it's nothing new. It was wonderful! He even thought this list sounded
interesting, as opposed to Dr. Eyeroll's condescending reaction. And he
agreed that the main thing all of us have in common is that we are likely
more in tune with our bodies than the Average Joe.
That's my report from the northland. If only ONE of you gets any reassurance
from this, that's what I hoped for! Have a good weekend all. And don't
worry, be happy!
xox
Lisa

todd

2008-10-17 17:42:16

Todd, Todd, Todd.....throw that stethoscope in the garbage!! I used to have one too and would lie in bed and listen to my heart. Not a good thing.<smile

Suzy<----who's hoping she doesn't sound harsh....I'm really a nice person :-)

Re: todd

2008-10-17 12:05:23

Don,
Thanks for the advice. Unfortunately, I can feel the PVC's as a
tickling sensation in my chest and throat, without ever having to
take my pulse! The nurse at the hospital where I had my stress-echo
done was suprised I could tell when I was having a PVC without
looking at the EKG monitor.
(On the other hand, I must admit I DID but a stethescope a couple of
weeks ago to better hear my PVCs, so I will refrain from using it!)
I think my next move will be to visit a chiropractor. I think I may
have a pinched nerve in my lower back, and wonder if that could be
contributing to the PVCs. Both started at the same time.
Todd

RE: [PeoplewithPVCs] Stress Echo Results

2008-10-17 05:24:45

Hi Todd,

From experience, I would say that at this point you work on believing in the benign nature of the PVC's while trying to lessen them by means of magnesium, stress relief, deep breathing/relaxation techniques, etc. etc. Anyway, congratulations on the good results of your stress-echo.....now go forth and relax.<smile

Suzy

Stress Echo Results

2008-10-17 02:42:52

Hello everyone!
I just got the results back from my stress-echocardiogram. The
report said there were no signs of ischemia, and that the PVCs seemed
to decrease with exertion. Other that the fact I was having PVCs,
everything was normal. No further testing necessary.
Well... I am still having PVCs, so I feel like something more needs
to be done, but I am not sure what. Any suggestions??
Thanks and God bless,
Todd

Re: [PeoplewithPVCs] mayo clinic

2008-10-16 17:23:08

Hi Connie, just read your post and you have said exactly the same thing as me
!
When I am totally on the move and am really pushing myself to the limits with
my stress I too get no PVCs. It seems the more I get my heart going the less
I feel them
When I am really busy its not as though I dont feel them, they are not there
I know its not just that its because I am busy.
So, I also wonder if its best at these times.
Leanne.

mayo clinic

2008-10-16 15:05:51

Hi,
I went to Mayo clinic in Rochester, MN on Tuesday. It has taken
me this long to calm down enough to tell you about this.
To make a long story short... There is no meds that they can
give to help me with the PVC's. They have suggested that I quite my
job ( I love teaching and do not find that as an option). They
suggested I go for a psycological evaluation, because these cannot
interupt a persons lifestyle. Then tried to send me on my way.... I
asked the dr to listen to my heart... when he detected a echo or
double beat and told me that he believes that the shunt to the heart
is too big and he would let my cardiologist know what to do.
I am back having tests reread from last winter... and my have to
have more tests and heart surgery before Christmas... yikes...
So anyway.. no great cures... no medical help... no sugestions as to
what could help these...
I am not a nut case... I firmly believe I can be normal again... I am
getting the feeling that I am living in a fantasy world... good news
is the stress is rapidly increasing at work... blood pressure is
boiling, but... no pvc's that are causing me to sit down or want to
run to the emergency room... I think the heart beating faster might
cause it to not have time to screw up... maybe I just need more
stress and everything will be fine. LOL just a theory.
Connie

Re: [PeoplewithPVCs] One for Amos

2008-10-16 05:51:34

Hi Leanne,
I think I can comment on your questions but the next time you see your
cardiologist ask her to define some of these terms for you. V-tach is
ventricular tachycardia, meaning that the ventricles of the heart are beating
at a fast rate usually greater than 100 beats per minute. This is not the
same as PVCs which means that the ventricles of the heart are beating out of
sync (not necessarily fast) that is, for some reason the ventricles contract
slightly before the contraction would normally occur if the heart beat was
not irregular. I think that sustained v-tach means that the ventricles
continually beat at a rate over 100 beats per minute while non-sustained
v-tach probably means that sometimes the rate is fast but sometimes it is
under 100 beats per minute. Often people just say that one has tachycardia
and do not specify whether or not it is the ventricles that are beating
rapidly or if there are fast atrial beats. Since it is the ventricles which
really have the force of the heartbeat, it sounds professional to say that
one has v-tach but really an EKG is necessary to tell if its the ventricles
or the atrium that is beating rapidly. Usually most people just say that one
has tachycardia and let it go at that. The upper chambers of the heart and
the lower chambers of the heart can beat independently of each other in cases
where there is a so-called heart block. Usually that is an anatomical defect
in the nerves that transmit the impulses from the pacemaker in the atrium of
the heart to the ventricles causing the atrium to beat at a normal rate, but
because of the block in the nerve impulse to the ventricles, the ventricles
beat at a slower independent rate. People who have a serious heart block
usually need an artificial pacemaker to insure that the ventricles beat at a
normal rate. But if there is no heart block and the atrium is beating
rapidly, then the rapid impulses will be transmitted to the ventricles and
the ventricles will also beat rapidly in syncronization with the atrium.
Ectopic beats are caused by electrical impulses that arise from some place
other that the main pacemaker in the atrium. Ectopic beats may originate
from an irritated spot in the atrium or from a spot the ventricles. Sometimes
they are multifocal meaning that they come from several or many spots in the
atrium or the ventricles or both. Ectopic beats and PVCs and PACs could be
considered the same thing. Symptoms of irregular heart beat can be different
depending on the cause of the irregularity. Certainly some irregular heart
beats, such a bradycardia (slow heart beat) can cause serious symptoms such
as fainting, but benign PVCs and PACs usually are experienced as a pause in
the heartbeat and then a thud or a feeling of fluttering in the chest or
throat. Often, when the person experiences fear and anxiety because of the
PVC or PAC other symptoms may occur, not really because of the heart
irregularity but because of the fight or fight response reaction caused by
fear. These anxiety symptoms may also cause fainting but usually they do
not. Often these fear reactions include weakness, flushing, sweating, muscle
tension through out the body, difficulty in breating (due to muscle tension)
changes in vision (due to muscle tension) difficulty in swallowing (due to
muscle tension) or the ability to concentrate. Rapid heartbeat can be a true
heart arrythymia such as supraventricular tachycardia (rapid beating of the
atrium) but often, in the case of benign PVCs and PACs, it is in response to
catacholimines, e.g., epinephrine (Adrenalin) secreted by the nerves and
endocrine glands because of fear, anger or frustration. When one visits a
physician, the doctor usually justs listens to one's heart and gives an
opinion about what she hears. If the heart is fast she may say that you have
tachycardia. If she hears the heart 'skip' a beat, she may say that you have
PVCs or PACs or ectopic beats but she really doesn't know where the beats
come from or exactly what they are unless she does an EKG or other test. As
is the case with many people with PVCs/PACs usually at the visit with the
doctor, the heart is not acting up and the doctor doesn't detect any
irregularity. That's why you may get differing opinions from doctors when
you stop by their office for a quick exam. A good way to really tell what's
going on is to have a Holter monitor test, which is a 24-hour EKG or a stress
test either chemical or on a treadmill which is also an EKG done while the
patient is under physicial or chemical stress. Ventricular tachycardia may or
may not need to be treated by drugs. Usually a knowledgeable physician can
tell if drug therapy would be helpful. Often tachycardia is normal in some
people, especially those who are considered to be high strung (producing a
lot of adrenalin) and often it is a problem for young thin females who do not
exercise. Very atheletic people in contrast often have very slow heart
beats, sometimes in the 40's because their heart and circulation are so
efficient. Most doctors do not have the time to explain all of this in the
detail we would all like, but there are many reference sources available in
public libraries. I would suggest however that if you have anxiety about
your heart that you NOT start searching medical textbooks for information but
rely on your doctor and then trust her opinion until you have reason to do
otherwise. Remember a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. Unless one
knows a great deal about how the heart works and has had experience
diagnosing and treating people with heart disease, it is best to rely on the
medical professionals for information. - Amos
Amos Oliver Doyle

Re: [PeoplewithPVCs] Dad-Val

2008-10-16 02:40:41

Hi Val,
You have my deepest sympathy! I could only imagine what a very sad
and painful time this is for you right now, but time heals all wounds, and
soon you'll be remembering all the good and special times you all shared.
He is at peace now, with no more pain or worry. I will keep you and your
family in my thoughts and prayers!
Take Care
Barb

Re: [PeoplewithPVCs] Dad

2008-10-15 17:50:07

Dear Val, I am so sorry - I will pray for God to give you the strength you need.
I don't think we have that kind of strength within ourselves, but I think if we
ask God, he carries us through by giving us His strength during these times. I
know all of you probably think I sound like a "Jesus freak" or something, but I
truly believe these things. Val, I believe your Dad is an angel now
(literally), and I think he would say, "if you could just see me now, you
wouldn't hurt so badly." Your mom and you and the rest of your family are who I
will be praying for because I know your dad is in a wonderful place and is
feeling things he couldn't even imagine. Every time you miss your dad (which
will be constantly for a while), try to think of him as alive and happy and
watching over you (still) because his spirit truly is, Val. God promised us
that, and if there's one thing you can depend on in this world and
beyond,........it's God's promises. Love, Majesty

Re: [PeoplewithPVCs] tagament

2008-10-15 16:58:08

Hi Bruce,
Did you ever try zantac, too? or is tagamet similiar? I was given
prevacid once by the doc in a sample, but never took it. But what you say
in relation to the pvc/chest pains, I could kind of relate. Maybe I should
try it too.
Barb

Re: Dad

2008-10-15 11:21:43

Val,
I am so sorry!!!!!! I will be praying for his soul and for your
family. He is at peace now and with GOD. You will get through this!
It won't be easy but you will!! Everyone gets through these things.
It is just the part of life none of us want to go through. Just
remember that "everything will be alright". It may not seem that way
now.....I dont know if I am saying the right things or not. I have
not been through this yet. I hope I have helped you. Just know that I
really feel for you right now and wish you did not have to go through
this.
Mickey
Hello,

Dad

2008-10-14 23:46:30

Hello,
My Dad went on to be with the Lord yesterday. Thank you for
your kind words and prayers (everyone). Though I know this was God's
will because he could probably see for my Dad a future he wouldn't
have wanted, it's still so hard to bear the thought of living without
him until that day when we meet again. The memorial service is
tomorrow. I don't think I can go through it. My heart is broken.
Please pray for my Mom, especially right now. We're a close family
and we'll ALWAYS be there for her (we all live within minutes of each
other), but I can't imagine losing your husband of 50 years. She
looks so frail and vulnerable right now. Thanks again.
Love,
Val

Re: check out all of these ?'s about PVCs

2008-10-14 18:49:26

Thanks,
Mickey

Re: [PeoplewithPVCs]leanne

2008-10-14 15:53:35

hey leanne where are you from.its after midnight here, looks like we are the
only ones up tonight, speaking of which i need to go to bed. it went ok at
the dentist today after drilling for 2 1/2 hours. two crowns costing me
1450.00 (ouch), i got brave and never told him about my previous skips. of
couse he proceded to give me about 500 shots. not really that many, but it
felt like that. he also did some kind of root surgery with a laser sort of
thing. he told me it needed it afterwords. at least i got to watch a movie
while he was doing all of this, the movie was called 7 days and 7 nights
staring harrison ford . i am glad i got to see it. i thought it was pretty
good. tired and gotta go , goodnight, don

One for Amos

2008-10-14 12:16:27

Hi Amos, I was wondering (creep creep) as you seem to be very updated with a
lot of info can you answer these question for me :-
What is the difference between sustained and non sustained v-tach?
Is v-tach different to PVCs?
What is eptopic beats?
I thought that basically if you had an irregular heart beat that no matter
what the name the symptoms were all the same.
Last visit to my cardio I said so do I have something called PVCs she shook
her head and said no but offered no explanation. I saw my home GP and he said
I have v-tach.
I saw a stand in doctor at out health centre and he said I have etopic beats.
Help !
Thanks for being patient.
Leanne.
Bye the way, do you think that v-tach needs to be treat by drugs? and if it
is different is it worse than PVCs?
Leanne.

Re: [PeoplewithPVCs]Amos/Reply

2008-10-14 06:28:16

Hi Amos, Yes, I totally agree with you the woman in question, not being a doc
should have infact kept her findings/thoughts as such to herself.
I myself dont have much faith in my cardio but some things he says do make
sense.
I am sure though I would not be telling all people with PVCs how to manage
them and give everything as do it its a definate. I think here we all TRY to
help each other by sharing our findings and swapping info and basically be
there for each other when possible.
Leanne.

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2008-10-13 19:17:41

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Transcript from the Heart disease chat session held on the 16th June with Hilary Jones and Belinda Linden, Cardiac Nurse Advisor and Manager of the medical information department at the British Heart Foundation.

Dr_Hilary says
Hello and welcome to today's chatroom on heart related problems. Heart disease remains Britain's biggest killer overall with a third of all men and a quarter of all women eventually dying from it. That's 1 person every 2 minutes having a heart attack or the equivalent of a jumbo jet crashing with the loss of all it's passengers every day. So many of these deaths however are preventable and avoidable. Simple lifestyle changes can make a huge difference, and modern treatment can give people back the quality of life they have lost. Joining me today is Belinda Linden, who is cardiac nurse advisor and manager of the medical information department at the British Heart Foundation, and we look forward to any questions you have ever wanted answered.

Moderator says
Gillian's question is: I understand that the patch form of HRT (Estracombi TTS) protects me from osteoporosis etc, but does it also protect me from heart disease as I have read somewhere that there was some doubt? I am a non-smoker, have a low fat diet, exercise regularly and am not overweight and will be 46 this August.

Dr_Hilary says
Long term studies in the use of HRT suggest that there is indeed a degree of protection against heart disease from which patients can benefit, especially if they have a family history of heart disease, and especially if they smoke. So much so that women who have had a heart attack and who are already on HRT are encouraged to continue with it to reduce the risk of further attacks.

Moderator says
Wendy asks: I have never had my heart rate checked. I have Turner's syndrome and understand that this can cause heart problems but could you tell me what sort?

B_Linden says
Thank you for this interesting question. Turner's Syndrome is a chromosomal disorder in which the child is of unusually short stature. The child often may have a variety of abnormalities of the heart although I am unable to specify one particular abnormality. Two thirds of children with Turner Syndrome lack one "X" chromosome.

Moderator says
Charlie's question relates to missed heart beats and he apologises in advance for his long question but feels that because many people suffer from the problem they will find the response invaluable. Charlie says: I have suffered for a number of years from what has been diagnosed as Premature Ventricluar Contractions - 'missed beats'. I have had a whole battery of tests: echocardiogram (3 years ago) 24 ECG x 2, all have come back normal although the palpitations continue on a day-to-day basis. Recently after going to A & E with mutiple missed beats I was kept in because I had an inverted T Wave on my ECG and slightly raised cardiac enzymes - eventually after 8 hours I was allowed home with no explanation of why I had been kept in. Once more my GP referred me to a cardiologist for assessment. Following another 24-hour holter (during which I went on a long run) the cardioloigst said that he could find nothing unusual. I fully accept his assessment and also that I undoubtably
have an element of neurosis about my heart, however, no one could give me a explanation of why I was kept in at hospital which was extremely distressing or how I might learn to cope with this irregular heart beat. I exercise 5 times a week but get the missed beats immediately after finishing so this has started to put me off. The last thing I want to do is allow anxiety related to this condition to start interfering with my life but they really are unbelievably annoying. Do you have any idea why I would have been kept in - did it mean I had some kind of heart attack (unlikely I hope)? Are there any support groups for people who have this condition?

Dr_Hilary says
These missed beats are extremely common, in fact I have them myself. Provided investigations are normal, they are considered benign. I expect you were kept in hospital on that one occasion to exclude any possible heart attack, and to make sure your blood tests and ECG results were compatible with normal. Anxiety always makes palpitations worse, so keep exercising and try to stop worrying.

Moderator says
Chris is 17 years old and aks: I lead a healthy and active life but I have been diagnosed with Wolf Parkinson White. I have had palpitation's but they are very infrequent. I have been offered the ablation but I feel fine. Is my life in any danger? What do you suggest I do?

B_Linden says
Wolffe Parkinson White Syndrome is an abnormality of heart rhythm which involves an extra abnormal electrical pathway. This can trigger irregularities of heart beat which may or may not cause symptoms. Sometimes these only need to be controlled with drugs but ablation therapy can be very effective if the abnormal rhythm persists and causes symptoms. Ablation is a catheter procedure which detects the abnormality with x-ray vision and uses radio frequency waves to ablate or wipe out the abnormal pathway.

Moderator says
Jane explains: I am more than 19 weeks pregnant and suffering from frequent palpitations and breathlessness. My doctor has prescribed beta-blockers which I have been advised to take but am reluctant to. My doctor has referred me to see a cardiologist for a 24-hour box to be fitted - but I am very concerned about the effect these palpitations could have on my baby. Will it cause breathing or heart problems, or complications in labour?

Dr_Hilary says
Both your symptoms are common in pregnancy due to normal changes in your circulation. Your 24 hour ambulatory ECG test will confirm your palpitations are purely physiological (benign) and they will have no effect at all on your baby's development and growth. This is because they will have no appreciable effect on your blood pressure and the circulation through the placenta to your baby. So relax.

Moderator says
Jim is aware of skipped heart beats, sometimes 3 or 4 times a day, other days as many as 30 or 40 times a day. He says: I recall Dr Jones writing about this a couple of years ago when he mentioned something about electrical impulses just above the stomach area and I think he said this was nothing to do with your heart.

B_Linden says
Thank you for your interesting question that affects many people. These are quite harmless for 90% of the population, but for the other 10% investigations may be needed particularly if the missed beats cause symptoms. An electrocardiogram (ECG) can clarify the abnormality and probably reassure you that it is not harmful. Extra or missed beats can often result from anxiety due to increased adrenaline circulating in the system.

Moderator says
Sarah asks: My husband (who is 31) has a 'regular' 'irregular' heart-beat! He has 8 'normal' beats, then appears to miss a beat before starting the pattern again. He is reluctant to see his GP - should I force him to go?

Dr_Hilary says
Again, these regular missed beats are extremely common. He should have an ECG and a full examination, but as long as he is generally fit and well, and has adopted a healthy lifestyle there is probably nothing to worry about, especially if his family history is clear of heart disease. But any fluctuation in heart rhythms should really be brought to the attention of his doctor.

Moderator says
Emma explains: My husband has been recently diagnosed with heart valve disease which an echocardigram showed as being mild, but which could be due to his tricuspid valve only being bicuspid. More worrying was that an electrocardiogram showed 'unusual' changes for a man of his age. My husband is 30-years-old and is very physically fit. He runs & plays football on a regular basis, & earlier this year, prior to this diagnosis, he ran a half marathon in his best time. The consultant that we saw about this heart problem suggested that the changes in the ECG could be due to having an 'Athlete's heart'. I cannot find any information about 'Athlete's heart', and hope that you can give me some more information.

Dr_Hilary says
You are asking two seperate questions. One concerns bicuspid valves and another concerns the athlete's heart. Firstly, a bicuspid valve has unusually two cusps rather than three and this may, in some cases, cause the valve to be less efficient, however, many patients have no problem with bicuspid valves. This can be checked with an echocardiogram. Athletes exercise intensively and this can cause the heart muscle to become thicker. Inevitably, this can lead to changes in the electrocardiogram or ECG. These changes are generally of little concern, but of course doctors need to be aware of whether you are an athlete so that they can accurately interpret the ECG.

Moderator says
Ruth asks: Should I be concerned at painful palpitations at night that disturb my sleep? My doctor prescribes lots of analgesia and hypnotics which I am very reluctant to use regularly as I hate pill-popping. I am trying an osteopath currently, to free up the Titze's, however with three children at university and being a lone parent cost is an inhibiting factor!

Dr_Hilary says
Palpitations are often uncomfortable and noticeable, but if they are actually painful, as you say they are, they should certainly be investigated in more depth. It is highly unlikely that you are experiencing angina, but to reassure you, you should see your doctor and inform him about your symptoms. It may be that you simply need a higher dose of HRT to help with insomnia and palpitations, but only specific tests can tell you.

Moderator says
Kym explains: Recently, I have experienced the feeling of my heart skipping a beat when just sitting at work, on the tube or taking a breath. Is this common or could it be related to anything. I am a stable asthmatic and excercise regularly, however, I do like to rave and drink regularly. Could this be related to my lifestyle?

Dr_Hilary says
Most palpitations of a benign nature are experienced at rest and not when exercising. They may be triggered by asthma medication and by other stimulants including caffeine in tea or coffee, cola drinks and chocolate, cigarettes, alcohol and any form of stress. So yes, your symptoms could well be related to your lifestyle.

Moderator says
Annie asks: A cardiologist has informed me that my heart misses a beat. I am to have an echocardiogram. I have tried looking this arrythmia up on the internet with no luck. Can you give me some information please?

B_Linden says
Generally, missed beats are not of real concern, but for some patients they may indicate underlying heart disease. They are also often called extrasystoles or ectopic beats. However, an ECG will be able to confirm whether this is the abnormality and an echocardiogram will be able to outline the heart and assess its efficiency.

Moderator says
Karen asks a question about her mother who is aged 72: My mother has a diagnosed enlarged heart, high blood pressure, both untreated. She has been excessively breathless (walking a few steps, climbing more than 4/5 steps) recently. Her parents had artheriosclerosis and high blood pressure/strokes. Should she be asking for preventive medicine? She has a reasonably healthy diet and doesn't drink so lifestyle changes aren't the solution.

Dr_Hilary says
Your mother must be tested regarding her breathlessness, as this could well be an early sign of coronary heart disease or mild heart failure. Preventative treatment can be wonderfully effective and could potentially give her a new lease of life, including more energy and exercise tolerance. Why not make an appointment with her GP and go along with her?

Moderator says
Trish explains: I am a 25 year old non-smoker, non-drinker. I have suffered from high blood pressure for the past 6 years, which has been kept under control with beta-blockers. However, 7 months ago I had my first baby and my blood pressure increased further still. My medication has more than doubled to Monocor 10 and water tablets. I am now concerned that my blood pressure will never decrease naturally and I will be on medication for life. It worries me what damage high blood pressure causes over a long period of time and also what effect the medication has on my long-term health, what side effects can it cause? I would also like to have another baby in a few years time, but will I be well enough to do so without risk to a baby or myself? I am not over weight, eat a balanced diet, but recently I have been told that I also have high cholesterol. Are the two problems connected in some way? I suffered from E coli when I was very young which meant I had to go on kidney dialysis
for a few weeks. Could this possibly be causing my high blood pressure and high cholesterol now?

B_Linden says
Thank you Trish for your questions. It is important that blood pressure is controlled, particularly if you have high blood pressure at such a young age. For many people the cause is unknown but for some people kidney disease can be a cause. Your GP can reassure you here. Although tablets are annoying to take they reduce the risk of stroke, heart attack or heart failure which can occur after long term high blood pressure. I understand that beta-blockers can be taken while pregnant, but each individual case needs the advice of their doctor. Ways in which you can help reduce your blood pressure are to increase activity, cut down on salt and find time for relaxation.

Moderator says
David asks: I am very concerned about some unusual symptoms I have been suffering. For many years I have been having irregular heartbeats which were diagnosed as ectopic beats and I was told they were benign. However, for the last few months I have been getting a very heavy beating which comes on suddenly and goes suddenly. This can be felt in my throat. When I take my pulse it is about 85 beats per minute. My normal pulse rate is about 60. Could this be an arrythmia? My doctor seems undisturbed by my symptoms and tells me, on examination, that my heart is normal. By the way, when this happens I feel that each heartbeat almost hurts because of the heavy beat. I was wondering whether this could be anything to do with flatulence?

Dr_Hilary says
You could be having episodic arrythmias (irregular heart beats) and if you are experiencing this feeling in your throat ( tracheal tug) and the symptoms are fairly common, I would say the time has come to have a 24 hour ECG recording to confirm that they are indeed benign and do not require treatment. Flatulence does seem to trigger such arrythmias in some people anecdotally, and dietary adjustment to eat little and often, and cut out stimulants, may be beneficial.

Moderator says
Ann explains: Three years ago I had electrical tests on my legs because of numb sensation in my feet. Although I explained to the doctor at the time that I had had this feeling in both feet, also the side of my left leg and once in my fingers, he said that I must have hurt my ankle in the past and damaged a nerve. For a few months now I have had this feeling in my right foot covering a larger area than usual and it covers the toes on my left foot, once it goes from one spot I notice it in another. Until now I have had no pain with it, but this time on my right foot I get sharp twinges and it itches a lot, although I cannot relieve this because its as if I cannot get to the itch because of the numbness. I am 43, 5ft 5in, 11 stones 6 pounds, I do not smoke and I have a drink occasionally. I have recently been to the doctors because of a slight chest pain I have been getting, the doctor at the time told me I have a slight heart murmur and I have had a echocardiogram and
exercise tests and will get the results of these test on the 26th of this month. The results of a blood test I had when I went to the doctors with the chest pain have shown that I have a slight under active thyroid. I am not having any treatment for this but will have a blood test ever three months. I had a MRI scan because of back pain three years ago which showed I have a slightly worn disk. I have had tests for diabetes which show I am not (my 24 year old son is diabetic). I have asked the doctor again about this numb feeling but was told to ask the specialist when I go for the results of the echocardiogram, will this be something connected to the heart pains?

B_Linden says
Unfortunately, I am unable to explain the numbness in your feet and do hope the specialist can help you here. The heart murmur is an unusual sound of the blood passing through the heart valves. The echocardiogram will be able to detect whether there is any valve abnormality. Sometimes people develop chest pains that are totally unrelated to heart conditions, but of course it's important to exclude this possibility.

Moderator says
John asks: Do you have any idea of the percentage of deaths from first-time heart attacks in terms of the overall number of deaths by heart attack? The reason I ask is because my father died from his first attack, which even 2 years on leaves me bewildered.

Dr_Hilary says
Nearly 50% of first time heart attacks are fatal. This means that more than 150,000 people every year are never given the chance to alter their lifestyle by stopping smoking, cutting down on fatty food, taking more exercise and avoiding stress that might prolong their life and improve it's quality. If everybody accepted appointments offered at well person clinics, many people without symptoms yet at risk of heart disease would benefit. Thanks for your letter.

Moderator says
Rob explains: I am a 35 year old male, weight: 14st 12, height: 5 ft 10. I was born with a heart murmur and have always been told that it was an 'innocent systolic' murmur - something to do with the shape of my chest cavity. Last year, however, after performing a routine check up for new patients, my new GP referred me to a cardiac consultant who carried out various tests. I am now told that I have a 'bicuspid aortic valve'. I understand what this is and that it should, I think, be tricuspid? But I'd like to know more about it. What should I look out for? Is it dangerous? Is surgery a common solution? I was not worried about my murmur before - being extremely active in sports in my youth and early adulthood and suffering no side effects. Now I am changing my perception on learning the murmur is not so 'innocent' any more and because my lifestyle has changed significantly - I have a stressful job, little time for sports activities and virtually the only exercise I get is
walking and gardening. Also, no matter what diet I follow - and I eat very sensibly and not to excess - I find it impossible to lose weight. How can it be that the fact the valve is bicuspid was not picked up when I was examined at length as a child? Can the valve have fused two cusps together since the original diagnosis? I cannot get to see my consultant until this time next year.

B_Linden says
A bicuspid aortic valve as you say has two cusps instead of its usual three. This abnormality affects about 1% of the population. Generally this may cause no real problem, but with some people the valve may become less efficient and lead to valve incompetence. This may be reflected in a heart murmur which the doctor can detect with a stethoscope. Although it is important to have a healthy diet, this should not affect the way your valve works.

Moderator says
Robert asks: Can you please tell me if there is any risk to health from prolonged use of pagers? We constantly hear of the possible risks to health from extensive use of mobile phones but I wonder if there has been any medical research into the use of pagers.

Dr_Hilary says
We are not aware of any risk from pagers although precautionary current advice based on theoretical risks of radio frquency signals suggests that mobile phones should not be clipped to breast pockets but secreted elsewhere about your body as far away from your heart and brain as is practically possible.

Moderator says
Lou asks: Following a routine ECG test (because I suffer with Essential hypertension) my GP, following advice from the hospital, prescribed one junior Aspirin perday. The ECG revealed I have a T wave. I am worried by this prognosis as it seems to suggest my heart is damaged. Can you please advise the long term effect of such a diagnosis.

B_Linden says
Thank you for your query. T waves are a normal finding on an ECG, but I presume that you have an abnormal T wave, possibly resulting from your hypertension. However, these abnormalities really do need to be interpreted by a specialist to guide your treatment.

Moderator says
Kate explains: My pulse rate is usually about 60 bpm. I occasionally get a tight sensation in my throat and chest and my heart will suddenly beat very hard and heavily. I feel this in my throat. When I take my pulse at this time it is about 90 bpm. It will then suddenly change from 90 back to 60 and the tightness goes at the same time. Could this be a tachycardia or arrythmia? I have been to my doctor but she says it is nothing to worry about.

Dr_Hilary says
Your doctor is likely to be correct, but I know how difficult it can be not to worry when you experience these alarming and recurrent symptoms. The problem is anticipating the palpitations usually serves to bring them back again. An ECG recorded at a time when you are having symptoms would be helpful and reassuring, and so would some simple advice about what to do to prevent symptoms and deal with them yourself when you have them.

Moderator says
Stuart explains: I have atrial fibrillation but I am only 28. I have tried every drug including amiodarone; I have had 3 cardioversions and an ablation but am still in AF. Do you think I should try the open heart procedure - the maze? The nearest place is Utrecht with 95% success rate. My heart has been as high as 300 bpm.

B_Linden says
Thank you for your enquiry Stuart. I sympathise with the frustration of persistent atrial fibrillation (AF) despite ablation therapy. The maze procedure has offered some success, but obviously you may not wish to undergo a large operation unnecessarily. There is a new catheter procedure being trialed called microcatheter ablation where small linear scars are formed inside the heart wall, and this has helped some patients control the AF.

Moderator says
Dereck asks: The French appear to have a much lower rate of heart disease than the British, is this anything to do with drinking wine?

Dr_Hilary says
Partly. The French also have a higer rate of alcoholic cirrhosis than we do, so drinking wine is not the only answer! Genetic factors and a healthy mediterranean style diet certainly contribute to their healthier history of heart disease, but red wine with it's antioxidant content has been shown to be helpful in preventing heart disease in a dose of 2 glasses a day. In fact people who drink moderately like this may have healthier hearts than tee-totallers.

Dr_Hilary says
Thanks everybody for participating in our chatroom today. As we thought, we had an enormous response and calls are still coming in. Remember that you can call up other questions and answers in our archives and find the names and addresses of support groups on our dedicated support group page. Belinda and her colleagues may be contacted at the British Heart Foundation's helpline on 0990 200 656 (recorded information) or at 14 Fitzharding Street, London W1H 4DH.
Have a great weekend, don't forget to apply the sunscreen, and why not join us next week in our chatroom devoted to the subject of homeopathy with Bob Leckridge.

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2008-10-13 12:44:41

Message: 23
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 22:15:15 EDT
From: AmosDoyle@...
Subject: Re: Dumping Syndrome
Christine,
Apparently the Board Moderator was not happy with something I said on the
Thyroid Board, so she banned me from all of the Health Boards.
Amos Oliver Doyle
Their loss......our gain......*****smile*****
Sometimes if you don't "agree" with the "list owner" in their way of
thinking...
Wel-l-l-l-l-l-l-
Glad you are here...
Nancy in Virginia

Re: [PeoplewithPVCs] Tagamet/Zoton

2008-10-13 09:48:14

Hi, Just read your post regarding your doc giving you the prescribed drug
Tagamet.
I also went to a different doc at my GP surgery last year cos my PVCs went
totally crazy. He examined me (different doc) and said I think you have
trouble with your stomach, not your heart ! He gave me a pill called Zoton to
take 1 daily and lovely it seemed to work NO PVCS for about 5weeks then BANG
they came back whilst I was still taking them so my regular doc said no, come
off them they are no use to you ! Talk about confused. But, I am seriously
thinking of trying to get back on them cos I think if I had taken them for
long enough it may who knows, have cured it!
Leanne.

Re: [PeoplewithPVCs]Amos

2008-10-12 22:52:55

Hi Again Amos !
Just what thing did you say that warranted a ban on all health boards?
Nothing could be that bad. Could it? LOL
Leanne.

Re: [PeoplewithPVCs] Needing prayers/Val

2008-10-12 19:13:03

Hi Val, My thought and prayers are with you, your family and your father.
Leanne.

Re: [PeoplewithPVCs] Gone away ?

2008-10-12 15:16:22

Gone away? Yea, right! Mine are with me and I think something is going
wrong with my stomach. I am getting a pain right under the tip of my
sternum(sp) and I have no desire to eat. I feel them to be worse. I wish I
had a cure. Or some relief would be nice...matter of fact, some support
from family and friends would be nice too. Anyways,.....
Christine

[PeoplewithPVCs)suzy

2008-10-12 10:33:56

Mine has a Jag.

Re: Needing prayers

2008-10-12 00:49:18

Val,
I am praying for your Father. Keep your chin up!!!! Miracles do
happen!! I know of a very old man who was hooked up to machines and
not expected to make it. The family pulled the plug and he still
lives. Was walking, talking and enjoying his granddaughters wedding
one month ago. Don't ever give up hope!!!!!! It's not over till it's
over!! I will be thinking of you.....
Mickey
Hello,

Re: [PeoplewithPVCs)suzy

2008-10-12 00:31:40

hi suzy, i think your right. i cant believe how much these crowns are
costing. no wonder why my dentist drives new expedition, ha ha.

RE: [PeoplewithPVCs] Needing prayers

2008-10-11 18:55:05

Val,

I will pray for God's perfect will to be done with your Dad.....and that you, Dad, and your family will have the peace that passes understanding. Go hold his hand tightly and tell him you love him, Val.

Blessings,

Suzy

Needing prayers

2008-10-11 14:22:56

Hello,
It's been a long time since I've written. I can't believe I'm
typing these words, but my Dad is in ICU hooked to a respirator.
Basically he is going through exactly what Andrea's Dad just recently
went through. Dad has pulmonary fibrosis and emphysema, but had been
doing ok. Unfortunately he developed pneumonia (staph) and that just
proprelled him into crisis mode immediately. A month ago today my
uncle (Dad's brother) died in ICU, so we are still grieving for him.
We all knew Dad's diagnosis of pulmonary fibrosis was bad, but we
were thinking years down the road, not weeks, especially not weeks
after Unky died. Before going to ICU Dad made it clear that he did
not want to be sustained on a respirator unless the doctors thought
it would be medically beneficial and help him to recover. Within the
next few days, we will have to make a decision about when to remove
it. Typing these words in no way expresses the heartache my family
and I are going through. If anything it seems to trivialize it. I
feel like a part of me has been ripped out of my body. I am writing
to ask for your prayers and/or thoughts for Dad. We are praying for
healing if it is God's will, but we also know that in the long run
going home to be with Jesus may be better for him. Dad has always
been so actively involved in life, and his doctors have told us that
even if he were to come out of this, he will have to be on the
oxygen24 hours a day, and would more than likely be in and out of the
hospital all the time (he HATES hospitals even more than I do). I do
know that Dad would not want to live that way, but it's so hard to
even imagine going on without him in our lives. My daughter's
birthday is Oct. 22nd, and I don't know how we can celebrate it
without him. Not much more to say. I'm heading back to the hospital
soon. We make sure one of us is always there at all times. We have
a room there. Thanks for listening, and if you read this Andrea, I'm
so sorry about your Dad, because now I know exactly what you were
going through.
Love,
Val

Re: [PeoplewithPVCs] Hawthorne

2008-10-11 01:46:38

Hi Leanne,
Go back and check some older posts by Rob if you can. There's good info. The
short of it is that it has helped some people, especially those with lots of
PVCs (+10,000/day). If you take too much (
worse. I have in my notes the recommended dosage to try is 800mg. I've also
read that there are different forms of Hawthorne available, some with
leaves, flowers, stems, and some with just a single part of the hawthorne
plant. There is suppose to be a difference, but I haven't researched it
much.
Good Luck.
Bruce

Re: [PeoplewithPVCs] Blood Sugars...../weight

2008-10-10 17:55:42

Dear Nancy in Virginia,
I agree! I think that blood sugar levels do play a part in triggering PVCs
and PACs, especially rapid rise in blood sugar and a subsequent rapid drop in
blood sugar. That's why it is important to stabilize blood sugars by not
eating so many foods with a lot of simple sugars and carbohydrates.
Surprisingly, some of the foods one would think would not have an effect on
blood sugar, really have a great effect: for example, carrots! Especially
carrot juice. For a while I thought that vegetable juices were just what I
needed and bought a juicer. I found that I really liked fresh carrot juice.
But unfortunately, I found out why I liked it and that was because it is
loaded with sugar, enough to make my blood sugar rise rapidly as if I had
drank pure glucose. In fact on the glycemic index of foods that cause high
blood sugar increases, carrot juice is right up at the top of the list along
with bananas, white potatoes and white bread. I am trying to stabilize by
blood sugar now by eating 5 or 6 small meals during the day which contain a
balance of a lot of protein along with some complex carbohydrates and fat,
preferably monosaturated fat. It's very difficult not having any ice cream,
jams and jellies, cakes, cookies, pies, candy, dried fruits and other
scrumptious foods with simple sugars, but if it makes me feel better, have
more energy and have fewer palpitation, then hey! I'm gonna do it. There is
good evidence of the relationship between rapidly fluctuating blood sugars
and palpitations, weakness, and anxiety. Many of the symptoms of
hypoglycemia (low blood sugar) are identicle with symptoms experienced by
people with PVCs. It's just a thought! - Amos
Amos Oliver Doyle

Re: [PeoplewithPVCs] Amos Oliver Doyle/PVCs

2008-10-10 15:23:57

Dear Leanne,
Yes, I think I have tried everything including herbs. I don't have a lot of
faith in herbs though because I am a botanist and I know that there is great
variability in plant genetics and chemicals found in individual plants. It is
difficult to insure that herbal preparations are consistent in the amount of
the active ingredient and there are few reliable double blind studies of
herbal remedies. I also think that a lot of the reported benefits from
herbals are really just the placebo effect because the people believe they
will work. I also think that a lot of herbal medicine is just hype by the
people who sell them, just to make money. And, a chemical is a chemical is a
chemical, whether it comes from a plant (like digitalis) or is a manufactured
chemical (like digoxin), and if I have to take chemicals to feel better I
would rather take one that has been tested and standardized. I have tried
hawthorne but I didn't keep it up because I didn't see a difference in the
amount of palpitations I was experiencing. I have tried minerals, including
potassium, magnesium, calcium, zinc, and chromium, vitamins, teas, and foods.
Right now I am experimenting with eating smaller meals and not drinking a
lot of fluids with my meals, AND trying to relax and clear my mind of anxious
thoughts. I still have more palpitations than I would like (I would like
NONE!) but maybe there are fewer for the time being. It's hard to say how
many I have since it is so variable and dependent upon my degree of stress
(anger, fear and frustration) among other things. But, probably now I have
just a few, especially in the evening, probably two or three a minute for
several minutes or sometimes every minute for several hours. At other times
I may have hundreds of them during an hour or maybe only 4 or 5 a day. For
the past several years there has not been a day that I haven't experienced
them Of, course I anticipate them each day and that makes them occur I think
more frequently than if I did not worry about them and expect them. I do
take a little Inderal and I think that helps. Inderal, as you probably know
is a beta blocker that blocks epidephrine and other catecholamines from
stimulating the nerves, thereby indirectly affecting the heart. It's not a
heart drug per se, since it blocks beta andrenergic receptors in nerves
throughout the body. Other beta blockers, like Atenolol, are
cardio-specific and affect only those nerves that speed up the heart. I
suppose if I took Inderal consistently at a sufficient dose, I could keep the
palpitations away, but I haven't lost all hope yet and try to manage them
with the least amount of medication. Usually, they are worst after a meal,
particularly a large meal in the evening. I am not troubled with them much
in the morning, up until about 1 or 2 PM. And then, they seem to increase
throughout the day so that by evening they are frequent. Sometimes I
experience them when I am very active and sometimes I do not. I can stop
them sometimes by lying on my stomach propped up on my elbows or by leaning
forward when I am sitting. I suspect that they tend to become associated
with certain things and then after a while become dissociated with them. For
example, I used to experience them at around 5 o'clock when I walked out to
my car after work. That lasted for many months, but now, I don't feel them
at that time. Well, it's a complicated problem as you probably know and
probably involves many different systems, including the nervous system, the
digestive system, the endocrine system and the cardiovascular system. I
hope that by discussing benign PVCs and PACs, ad nauseum, that somebody will
come up with a better explanation of the causes and triggers. I think that
the doctors know a lot of things about them but no one has put it all
together yet. Maybe if we keep harrassing them somebody will find a
satisfactory answer that makes sense to those of us who have them. - Amos
Amos Oliver Doyle

Re: [PeoplewithPVCs] Question for Amos

2008-10-10 10:35:46

Well Lisa,
I'm not a physician but I believe that use of cocaine and marijuana does
damage the nervous system and to that extent, perhaps the heart. Of course,
a lot of people have PVCs and never have used drugs. My wife uses a
technique in her practice call SPECT to look at the brains of her patients
and to determine whether or not the brain is getting adequate blood flow . I
hate to tell you this, but people who use or have used cocaine and/or
marijuana have brains that are not getting adequate blood. You might be very
surprised to see SPECT scans of those brains because they dramatically show a
brain with many many parts of the brain marginally functional or non
functional. On the brain scan, these parts show up as if they were missing
so the picture of the brain is as if the brain were full of large holes. If
you still use these drugs, probably you should stop right now. It might be
helpful if you could find a physician who is knowledgeable about SPECT and
could schedule you for a scan. Not a lot of physicians use SPECT for brain
scans, but many of them use SPECT for heart scans to determine blood flow
through the heart. Dr. David Amen of the Amen Clinic in California probably
is the most knowledgeable about brain scans using SPECT and you can learn
about his clinic from his web site for the AMEN CLINIC. The medical school
of the University of Illinois in Chicago also does them. Treatment is often
prescribed based upon the SPECT scan and with proper medication, sometimes
the blood flow through the brain is improved. I'm just relaying all of this
to provide information but probably the SPECT scan and any treatment would
not improve your PVCs greatly. But, who knows? If your nervous system has
been sensitized through the use of cocaine and marijuana, then it gives
reason to believe that that use has some relationship to the PVCs you now
experience. However, as I said before, many people have PVCs and PACs who
have never used those drugs. - Amos
Amos Oliver Doyle

Blood Sugars...../weight

2008-10-10 02:21:50

To the Group.....
Hi....
Used to post....
but not in a long while....
Wanted to pass this along.....
Be sure and check your Blood Sugars....
Found mine were up....
and.....
that can trigger irregular hear beats/palpitations....
I seem to notice a difference now that I have that under control....
(well much better at least......)
Also: weight....was a biggie...
Even 10# can make or break.....
Hope this helps someone...
Nancy in Virginia

Re: Gone away ?

2008-10-10 00:17:33

Hey Leanne,
No cure here. Not very many for a few days now though and that's
enough to keep me happy. Where in England are you from? My husbands
family have relatives from Stephenage (SP). As you can tell by my
spelling I am not from England!!
Mickey
Hi Guy's, I was suprised this morning to have only a few posts! Does
this