Premature Ventricular Contractions and more

H i susan, as I have just come off the drug that you would like to know of
Sotalol.
Yes, its a beta blocker.
leanne.

Hi There ! welcome to our nice little group !
As for your meds sotalol, I had been on it for 3months and didn't notice any
effects until one day I woke up and thought my heart didn't feel right last
night but now !
It was racing trying to stop then gearing up again. I told my cardio of this
and he weaned me staright of them I had the worse side effects imaginable and
even now my heart has not settled into any pattern as it was before I started
taking them and I came of them approx 5months ago.
So hope you are well on them, how long have you been taking them ?
leanne.

Hi Suzy ! It was me being silly over a nothing again, I was satrting my
course at college and was feeling down but things wern't so bad ! LOL
leanne.

Hi, Thanks for replying to my rather "sad " e-mail, I think it was just one
of those days yesterday ! I dont normally feel sad I think things just got
to me about everything and nothing and I was starting my new college course
which made me feel nervous.
thanks again.
leanne.

Hi all!

Welcome Jacky.. I can't say I suffer from fatigue. I do suffer from systemic
Rheumatoid Arthritis which can make me sore and tired. Stick around and
you'll find a lot of helpful information. Rox-PA

Hi everyone,
I have just discovered this site, thank goodness. I am 65 and have
been having PVCs for a year/ Bi-geminy and tri-geminy most of the
time until the doc finally tried Solatol which has cut the PVCs to a
managable level. Anyone else on this medication? Have tried all the
usual medications also has an ablation last month but the cells that
are firing are too deep in the muscle to reach - very
disappointing.Does anyone else sufer from extreme fatigue?
Jacky

Suzy
When I started taking Zoloft which is an SSRI like celexa I felt so ill for
the first few weeks. My doctor cut my dose back to only half the
recommended starting dose and then gradually increased it during the second
week. That helped a bit - after a month or so though I had no side effects
and they did help when I needed them. Remember you have to reduce off them
sllllooowwwly!!
Love Susan B

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Hi Again, I remember when I came off my beta blockers and it was a do it
slowly attitude I was taking 2 a day then after 1week i went down to 1 a day
then after that week nothing but it took a while for my heart to want to
accept that nothing was going in to help it either way. I asked my doc if I
could start to take magnesium at the same time as beta blockers and she said
no I would rather you wait because if i did get any side effects from mag we
wouldn't know which was causing it. I started the same day I came off meds
and although I noticed no difference at first (2months) I think things have
now finally started to take effect. I feel better in myself and my palps are
less frequent, although they are still there.
good luck, leanne.

I would love to have one of those booklets, if you don't mind. My husband's mom has Alzheimers and isn't doing well, so I want to be able to help him when the time comes. Both my parents are in Heaven already (and having a blast, no doubt<g

Speaking of depressed, I finally started taking my Celexa (an antidepressant) 2 nights ago. I'll be taking the Celexa and my full dose of Klonopin for a month, then reduct the Klonopin to 2 tabs a day for a month, etc. The idea is to get off of the Klonopin. I was wondering if anybody had icky feelings when they started on antidepressants. I feel like I'm crawling out of my skin, kinda....just basically anxious, I suppose. Not about anything in particular, just jumpy. I read Celexa's website and they said it has some uncomfortable side effects for about 2 weeks which then go away. I'm going to stick with it for now, but it certainly isn't making me feel better yet. The whole idea of switching to Celexa was to reduce my anxiety, not make it worse. Oh well.

Love to all,

Suzy

I'm getting the same message Suzy, but only when I hit "reply" to one of your posts, or maybe there are others who have the egroup HTML stuff attached. Tim & Carrie must have set their preferences to prevent viruses or something. It took me until yesterday to figure out why I was getting the message. I kept thinking... Tim & Carrie? I didn't send them any attachments!!
LOL
Lisa

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Suzy

Hi Lisa,
You said just what I needed to hear. I have been focusing too much on his
last days and how he struggled for breath. I need to remember him at his
best and happy times for sure. Thank you. I will keep that thought in my head
from this point forward. God Bless you.
Andrea

Hi Jeannie, Well, my experience with beta blockers was not so long ago. I had
been having these palps for approx 3 yrs and eventually my cardio asked if i
would like to give beta blockers a try. I though well why not ive put up with
this long enough and it might just ease them off. For the first 2months of
taking them to be honest i didn't votice any change at all and just as my doc
thought we should increase the dose i had the most rappid and irregular heart
beat that i'd ever had and it took nearly a week for it to subside a little
even now i am off the damn things my heart beat is a lot worse than it was
before the drugs. I currently take no meds at all apart from my trusty
magnesium (500mg daily) and although ive been on it now for 9 weeks i think i
am just beggining to feel better. However in saying this i think its still up
to the individual to see whats best for them and if you have a nice doc i am
sure they will go through the side effects/benefits of taking any drug.
I wish you the best of luck !
let me know what you decide. !
Leanne.

Majesty: I had great results with a beta blocker except for an occasional
bout of bradycardia. I think everyone reacts differently. I would not
hesitate to take it again. I took Tenormin.
Roxanne

My thoughts are also with you. I hope the intensity of the next few days
will be bearable and ultimately the strength of your family together will
help you all begin to heal. Think positive, and know your Dad would want you
to remember him at his best and happiest!
Lisa in MN

Thank you Susan. Everyone has been so supportive. This group is wonderful
and special. God bless you all.
Andrea

Thank you Jen. The support from everyone is so heartwarming. God bless you
all.
Andrea

Thank you Mickey. I know he is at peace and no longer suffering. Despite all
the obstacles he had in his life, he almost made it to 80 years old. I miss
him, but know that he is in a better place.Thanks again.
Andrea

Thank you Laurie. It is a relief that he is no longer struggling for breath.
My sister and I kept a vigil for about two hours when we realized that his
lungs were filling with fluid. We kept pushing the Morphine pump every
fifteen minutes until we were assured that he had no sense that he was
struggling for breath. He is much happier and can walk again, breath again
and with the Lord. I lean on these thoughts for comfort. Thanks again.
Andrea

Hi Susan,
Thanks for the birthday greeting. I had a great day! Yes I watched
the opening
ceremonies here in Canada. When we went out for lunch from work it
was replayed and the owner of the restaurant was telling everyone to
"watch this" You have every reason to be proud.! That was
amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I got chills and shivers
while I watched and I was thinking of you too!! hehe!
Have a great day. We are just heading for bed here!
Mickey
Hi all

hi Val
I used to do this but now I firmly tell myself that I'm OK. I've probably
gone to the opposite extreme from where I used to worry about every single
symptom and poring over medical articles to not worrying about symptoms and
not really caring what I read. I never used to be able to watch medical
shows on TV either but now no problems. I don;t really know what happened
to change things - I guess I just got sick of worrying!!! I do still
however worry about the pvc's when they hit hard but I think that's fair
enough!!
Love Susan B

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Never watched the opening ceremony Susan but have been watching your swimmers (especially Ian Thorpe) with alot of interest ... wow, that young fellow is only 17!!!! but I think the dutch man .. Hoogen-something-or-other will give him a run for his money in the 200m finals later today ...... now i'd love to hear any of them get PVC's!!! haha ......... incidentally i wonder how many people take up exercising when the olympics are on?? I bet the swimming pools and jogging trails are overloaded with people now .. or are they all in front of the TV?? haha

Gord.

Hi all
Just a quick post off subject to ask if anyone watched the Opening Ceremony
of the Olympic Games and your impressions.
As an Australian I was very proud and thought it was fantastic but was a
little unsure how it would all be interpreted in other countries.
Love Susan B
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Hi All,
Just wondered if I'm the only one who picks up a magazine such
as Family Circle, Woman's Day, etc.., reads the medical columns
and/or articles and then starts worrying about having whatever the
article is talking about (especially if it's heart-related). There
was an article in one of those magazines this month about women and
heart attacks and now I feel like I'm having some of the symptoms
they mentioned. I know my mind is susceptible to suggestions, so I'm
trying not to get too stressed out. Sometimes I get pain in my left
arm at the same time that I have an indigestion type feeling and
belch up this burning liquid. Once when it happened I called my
cardiologist, but he told me unless I developed some other symptom
(such as passing out) not to worry about it. He had given me a
stress test a couple of weeks before I called him. Soooooooo...after
that conversation, I never worried anymore when it happened again.
However, this article said that one women had a heart attack just two
days after a normal stress test. Yikes!!!
How many of you visit your cardio on a regular basis, and if so,
how often, and what tests do they run? I'm absolutely phobic about
blood being drawn, so I want to avoid that at all costs. They did
the complete blood work-up back in the early '90's, and everything
was wonderful. The last time I went was probably a couple of years
ago, and he only scheduled me to come back for my own peace of mind.
My PVCs have always looked exactly the same on the EKG - no change in
20 years.
I think my anxiety is just kicking in because of the recent loss
of my uncle and the stress of being back at work, etc... I am such a
worrier. Well........any thoughts or responses would be great. Take
care everyone.
Love,
Val

Dear Majesty,
Hello and welcome! You sound a lot like me. My PVCs started
when I was 17, and I am now 37. I have also worried very often about
dropping dead from these things. I don't have 3 boys, but I do have
a beautiful 13 year old daughter. Like you, I have a supportive
hubby, but he does get frustrated as well. He feels like since I
haven't keeled over from them yet, I ought to be able to accept them
completely, and never worry about them no matter how "different" they
may feel at times. I'm also very much the same as you regarding the
eating. Worse after eating and almost always worse when my stomach
is growling (especially when those 2 things coincide with mid-cycle
or my period). We're even close in height (and I'm working on the
weight!). I'm 5'1" and 126 pounds. Back about 10 years ago, when my
PVCs were at their worst I weighed 102, and the cardiologist told
me "No wonder you feel every heart beat - gain some weight!" I
started Weight Watchers in July and have now lost 11 pounds. Slow
and steady wins the race:) By the way, your name is beautiful:))
Hang in there, and write often. Take care.....
Love,
Val

Andrea
I know how you feel at this time. I lost my dad to lung cancer
10 years ago. It's a horrible time Andrea but remember your Dad's
suffering is now at an end and with each new day you will feel
stronger and more able to cope with this (often unfair) life.
God Bless
Gill

Hi everyone! Is there anyone out there who can give me advice about
whether to continue on the inderal la or not? I'm not sure if it's
helping or not. I've only been on it four days, but the doctor said
if I didn't like it to stop it. So the question is - should I stop
or keep trying it for a week or two and see what happens? Can any of
you tell me anything about your experiences with beta blockers?

First of all, I want to say to Andrea - I don't know you, and I know
we haven't "spoken" to each other yet, but I have a strong faith, and
I know God loves you and your family, and He's loving your father in
person right now. I believe your father is so happy, but at the same
time, I imagine he's worried about you. Please trust in God even
when you don't understand, and I will be praying for you and your
family. I am very touched by the messages I've already received, and
I appreciate all of your support very much. I wanted to share that I
also (supposedly) have mitral valve prolapse (leaky valve, thick
valve - I think they're all the same). To the person who was asking
about meds, I just started inderal la (long acting), and I can't tell
much of a difference yet. I'll let you know if I do. It may at
least be helping my anxiety level if not the skips themselves.
Thanks again, everyone - I already feel better! Majesty

Hi, everyone,

I am a 31 year old stay at home mom with two daughters, 5 and 2. I had PVC's back (waaayy back,lol) in high school, but they disappeared for many years. Now, for some reason, they are BACK! My echocardiogram showed that I have a thickened mitral valve, but I can't seem to find much information about that anywhere. My doctor has offered a prescription for beta blockers, but I haven't taken her up on that yet. She reassured me that this is harmless, and has referred me to a cardiologist.

I was wondering if any of you would like to share your experiences with beta blockers, and let me know if you recommend them or not? I'm not usually a big medicine taker, but if they help, well, sign me up!

God bless you all,

Jeannie

Hi Jeannie.....I"ve been on some form of beta blocker (Inderal and now Toprol XL) for over 20 years. I'm not REAL sure why lots of us take them, but we do.<smile

Go to www.webmd.com and click on Consumers, then do a search on beta blockers. They'll tell you a lot there.

Hugs,

Suzy

Hi, I have also had either PVCs or v-tach dont know which cos my doc always
changes his mind every now and then ! LOL
As for the times they are worse, mine are also worse if ive had something to
eat and i get a grumbling tummy ! however, ive been loads better since i
started on the magnesium. I currently take 500mg daily although i was taking
750mg for a week or two and my PVCs seemed worse (no real rhythem) so i
dropped down a little and (fingers crossed) i'm ok ! I think it takes the
individual to find what is best and try to see what works for them and to try
to eliminate them as much as possible so as we can comfortably try to live
with our PVCs.As for your docs attitude, i should look around for a more
sympathetic one.
love, leanne.

Hi! You sound just like I do when mine hit!! ALTHOUGH I am getting there
where I don't panic AS much!! ":o))
I am having a bad morning as we speak (or as I type :o)) Mine are very
frequent in runs that last for hours at a time, can go on for days til I get
another break from them. I'm 31 and have a 6 1/2 and 4yr old sons, and a
2yr daughter. I have the same fears "of being around for them"<my babies!!
I'm starting to give up on doc's. But then on those super bad days, you
kind of look for some "reassurance" that you're not going to just keel
over.!
I know exactly how you feel. My husband isn't as supportive as he once
was when these started. He thinks if I've had them the same for over a
year, obviously there not going to kill me. My mom and sister are the most
supportive. Although I try not to lay in on my mom too much, cause you know
how worried mothers get right away! My sister I could call at all hours,
and she just babbles away to get my mind off it! Plus this wonderful group
of people help me stay sane, too!!
Well enough of my babbling for now. I am trying to keep busy 'cause my
chest is doing the polka!
Welcome to the group! You're in the right place!
Take care for now!!
Barb
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Hi Majesty and Welcome. If you have time to go back over the archives of
this group to about a year and a half ago you will find posts from me that
sound exactly like you. I had exactly the same feelings and responses to
these things that you are having as have most of us in this group. The
comfort and reassurance that I found in this group has really helped me to
"get over these things and have fun" as your doctor put it. It is a very
hard thing to do, but you too can do it. I have 2 children 11 and 6 and my
biggest fear back then was not being around for them. I was certain that I
was going to drop every time these dreaded beats started up. Hang in there
.... you found the right place.
Jen in PA

Hi Majesty,
Your e-mail says its 2:00 am where ever you are. Guess you're up late
with the PVC's! Welcome to the group. I'm not the official greeter or
anything, and usually I just lurk, but I'm responding in case you're
still up and watching the posts.
There are a lot of marvelous and wonderful people on this group. None
of us have ever passed away from PVC's. Stay with the group, you'll
find it very supportive. Lots of us have the same frequency you have...
or more.
You'll also learn about ways to deal with your PVC's, both
psychologically and medicinally. Hang in there!
Peter St.Onge

Hi! I've never done anything like this before, so please forgive me
if I mess this up! I've had PVCs since I was 16, and I'm now 34.
I'm a white female, 5'2", about 115 pounds. I'm in tears right now
because I felt like I was at the end of my rope tonight and found
this group! I'm now (almost) convined I probably won't die tonight!
I've always had skipped beats, but they have gotten progressively
worse since I've gotten older. On bad days (like today) I have
anywhere from one every 3rd beat for hours to up to 5 in a row!
(that's my personal record - ha) I talked to my cardiologist today
because it's my third day on inderal la 80, and my pvc's seem worse.
She pretty much bit my head off for calling her and said to "go have
fun, learn to get over it" I'm sorry, but I can't seem to figure out
how to "have fun" with my heart skipping then pounding my entire body
every 3rd beat for an entire day! Like lots of people, I think -
what if this is the time it actually kills me?! I have three
beautiful little boys - 8, 4, and 3 (so, yes, I DO have a lot of
stress in my life - ha!), and I also worry about being here for them
as they grow up. I'm sorry for the length, but THANK YOU for being
here and listening. The thing that bothers me the most is that no
one seems to support me (except my husband), but I know he gets
frustrated with me because he doesn't understand. I know there is
somehow a definite connection for me with eating - they're always
worse after eating and if my stomach is growling. Stress also plays
a part, but not as much as my stomach. I'll stop for now, but thanks
for listening!!!!
Majesty (yea, that's my real name - came from a western novel by Zane
Grey - "Majesty's Rancho")

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derrick,
thank you. happy birthday to you too.
I hope things go well for you soon and you get your wife back home!!!
Thinking of you...
mickey
Mickey,

Mickey,
I hope that you have a good birthday. My birthday is in September as well.
take care,
derrick

Hi John!
Christine

wuhoo lisa!!!
happy Birthday to you too!!!!!!!
Mickey

I guess I have not posted as much as i used to. i dont have as many
pvcs as i used too. and i dont panic about them like i used to.
sometimes they scare me but i forget about it pretty quick. i do read
every message everyday. i am just very busy at work and at home. i
think of all of you everyday. i feel for each of you who is going
through a rough time. I have been there too. The words of
encouragement from all of you is amazing. I did not know so many
people believed in GOD. Thats pretty cool. i wish we could all meet
one day. i wish we did not live so far apart. I feel like I am the
farthest one away, actually. It seems no one is from Canada!!
Anyways, now that i have buttered you all up and told you how much i
like you..........
tomorrow the 16 SEPT. is my 36th BIRTHDAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
happy birthday to me
happy birthday to me
happy birthday dear mickey
happy birthday to me.
Anyone care to join me!! haha!!!
have a great weekend everyone!!! My thoughts and prayers are with all
of you. oh and i love the pictures, lets see somemore!!
mickey

Happy Birthday Mickey, from another September girl! (42 on the 1st)
Lisa in MN

Hi John,

Glad to hear from you! I know what you mean about lurking more when you're not having as many PVC's. I haven't had bad pvc's for a long time now, but I still read EVERY e-mail from this group. Keeps me in line, I guess. LOL

Suzy

Hi All, I've heard of Paxil before but never knew what type of drug this is.
Can anyone tell me what is it/what is it used for ?
Claudia, so happy your PVCs have vertually gone ! wish we could all diminish
ours !
love, leanne.

Thanks Lisa
I think you would get on well with my partner - he can watch sport at any
time of the day or night!!!
Susan B'

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At the risk of making anybody squeamish, I'll tackle this one with a bit of
trivia-vocabulary. That sharp pain, right or left, at mid-cycle is actually
called "mittleschmerz" (sp?) in medical terms! I think it means, literally,
mid-cycle in German or something. The key thing to note is, if you feel the
mittleshmerz, you are actually feeling yourself ovulating. Very handy for
birth control, also very cool because it is just one more example of how us
PVC'ers are very likely just "folks who are more in tune with our bodies"
than the average Joe! (Or Josephine, as the case may be!)
Have a lovely weekend all,
Lisa in MN

I feel stupid responding to myself, but my e-mail address didn't show
up right. Let me try again. vturner@...

Hi Val
This is how I know when I'm ovulating by the sharp pain mid-cycle. I only
ever get it on the left as I have had my right ovary removed. It usually
lasts a day or so and at the same time I usually feel "fuller" in the pelvis
and generally a little backache. My pvc's have also been known to be worse
mid-cycle and also my pmt kicks in pretty much straight after ovulation
(groan!!). From what I've read pain with ovulation and sometimes also some
"spotting" is pretty common
Susan B

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Hi Girls:)
Do any of you get those sharp pains in your lower left and/or
right side at the middle of your cycle? Also - do you notice any
other "symptoms" at this particular time? You can e-mail me directly
at vturner@... if you think your responses might make the guys
squeamish:)) I'm getting worried about every little thing now that
its getting closer to the time to have my Pap redone. Thanks in
advance for your replies.
Love,
Val

That's what I would love to know!! (You should've seen me last night--total
basket case with one foot out the door to the ER) I really thought last
night was IT! They felt totally different than usual, and didn't let up all
night (from 5pm on). I went to bed around 4am, just started dosing on/off
somehow, and suddenly the kids were up at 6am and had to get them ready for
school. Today all day I was way off track, somehow made it thru the day,
took a half of metoprolol at my son's soccer practice cause it felt like it
was coming back but w/a quick rate. Maybe I will sleep tonight!!!
Thanks to Kelly w/instant msg!! You kept me somewhat sane for awhile
there!! :o))
Take Care all
Barb

Oh, Andrea! My thoughts & prayers are with you! It's hard no matter what
happens.
Barb

Suzy,
Yes, I'm one of those "lurking" a lot lately, but I follow the posts
just about every day and feel like I'm talking even when I'm
not........ I've probably been lurking more because I've been
fortunate recently not to have many pvc's..........
-john
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Andrea,
I'm sorry for what is happening with your dad. I can sympathize, my
dad quit smoking 13 years ago, but was just diagnosed with severe
emphezema, for which there is little hope. I don't mind preaching to
people here about this one: if you smoke, quit now. It's the most
destructive thing one could possibly do to the body and it is not
worth the hell that the smoker and the ones who love the smoker must
eventually endure.
-john

Rox
You are soooo brave not to panic anymore with the palps. Do you get them
lying down and how do you stop from jumping up in alarm??
Susan B.

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Andrea,
Sorry about your Dad. Life is really tough when you're fighting for
it. My sister in law quit smoking now-almost 2 yrs this time. (she tried
before but lasted only about 10mos) Now she's doing pretty good. Lost the
craving. Although she says sometimes she feels it and fights it. I say
Good for her. She started feeling all different odd aches and pains and I
think it finally sunk in for her its probably from the smoking. So it was
either keep smoking and get worse, or stop and try to get healthy.
Hopefully your Dad will get better soon! You never know.
Take Care
Barb

Hi everyone-
I just read Leanne's post regarding questioning the happenings in our lives.
Have any of you read Seat of the Soul or Soul Stories by Gary Zukav? If
there are any Oprah watchers in this group you may have seen him on her
shows. He offers a perspective of life-why we are here, etc.- that is
spiritual though not religious in nature. I have personally gotten a
tremendous amount from his books, which is helping me find meaning in my
life. He is actually who I am going on the retreat tomorrow (!!!!) to
see/meet with. Just thought I'd mention this to anyone who might be
interested.
Have a great day!
Susan F

Hi Suzy,

I'm just a lurker. I read everyones post every morning before going to work and it help me get thru the day. I've been on paxil for quite a while and I'm doing real good. I still get an occassional panic attack. but the pvc's have definately calmed way down. just wanted to say hi

Claudia in MA

Hi Gang,
I won't preach I promise. Just making you aware that I read there are over
one hundred addicting chemicals in cigarettes now in addition to the
nicotine. My neice recently quit using Zyban. It worked great for her.
Lots of people think that smoking won't bother them. Well, it might not
bother them now but my Dad smoked for a good many years then quit over ten
years ago and is now diagnosed with stage four lung cancer. He had a chest x
ray in Jan. that revealed nothing. The tumor didn't show up until July. By
then it was too late. I wouldn't be telling you all this if I didn't care.
I would not want anybody to go through what my Dad is going through. It is
horrible.
Andrea B.

Hi Jim, Isuppose it perhaps really depends on the fact that if the
anti-inflamitary drugs contained certain chemicals (known to bring on PVCs)
was present in your type of drugs. However, as you only noticed it when you
were taking them as I did on a certain occasion. The question remains would
you have had them if you had not taken this in the first place ? asked that
question to my cardio he simply smiled and said "we dont really know" as for
the tambocour, ive heard its not such a good drug to be using because of the
side effects but if it helps and you really cant put up with them its
obviously down to the individual. I am on no meds now and havn't been for
4months since beta blockers that i took for 3months gave me a bad racing
irregular beat. I threw the lot and thought enough ! I take magnesium and
although it helps me somewhat it doesn't always suit everyone, i think its a
case of trial and error.
good luck with your tambocour resistance.
leanne.

Lisa, I went to school with the Belushi's. I'm originally from Chicago from 1950 to 2000. Lived in Chicago, Wheaton, Carol Stream, Arlington Heights, Rolling Meadows, and Palatine. Now I'm in arid Ft. Worth where it hasn't rained in 75 days!! Anyway, I just wanted you to know that you ARE losing it.<smile

Suzy (who lost it long ago)

The suspect was the anti-inflammatory, but when I stopped it and the
PVC's didn't go away, it kind of shot that theory. I stopped taking
Tambocor a couple of weeks ago and so far so good.

Hi Jim I have heard also that medicines like the one you took can cause palps
but thought that once stopped they should have gone. Perhaps they were always
there but for some reason not as noticable until after your accident.
So, are you on any meds now at all ? and have your PVCs got any worse.
leanne.

Hi Andrea, Thanks for your e-mail, my thoughts are with you for your Dad etc,
I too am still having PVCs I would think myself mighty lucky now if they had
gone although like you all somedays they are not too bad. And yes, I do smoke
terribly I must admit. But although I know I can stop when I do my PVCs are
really bad. Its as though smoking calms me but when I dont smoke at all my
heart really does do the jelly feeling as though its going to start/stop at
anytime. I think if it wasn't for this I would have stopped years ago. And
its no use lying to docs etc because that does no good at all so they also
know but have never once in three years said stop. They perhaps get sick of
telling folks. Anyhow, less of me, hope you are ok.
leanne.

Jim, you came to right place. You sound like what most of us experienced
with these PVC's. I am a palper for 17 years now and at one point they
controlled me. Not anymore, but then again, I only get about 100 per day..
Compared to 10,000/day that incapacitated me.
Welcome....

--- In PeoplewithPVCs@egroups.com, "Jim McDonough" <jpmcdonough@h...
WELCOME JIM:) SO THE DOCTORS THINK THAT THE ANTI-INFLAMMATORY
MEDICATION IS WHAT CAUSED YOU TO START HAVING PVCS? THAT'S REALLY
BIZARRE. YOU WOULD THINK THAT ONCE YOU STOPPED TAKING IT, THEY WOULD
HAVE STOPPED. I'M SURE YOU'LL GET LOTS OF GOOD ADVICE FROM PEOPLE IN
THIS GROUP. I'VE HAD MY PVCS SINCE I WAS 17, AND I'M NOW 37. I
HAVEN'T GOT A CLUE WHAT CAUSED THEM IN ME, BUT I'VE BEEN CHECKED OUT
LOTS OF TIMES AND HAVE ALWAYS RECEIVED THE "BENIGN" DIAGNOSIS.
THEY'RE STILL A PAIN IN THE KEESTER, THOUGH. BEST OF LUCK TO YOU.
VAL

DEAR ANDREA,
AMEN!!!!!!! SMOKING KILLS, AND WE DON'T WANT TO LOSE ANY OF OUR
PVC PALS. MY DAD IS ALSO SUFFERING FROM THE EFFECTS OF YEARS OF
SMOKING - EVEN THOUGH HE QUIT 13 YEARS AGO!!! HE'S NOT SUFFERING
LIKE YOUR DAD IS RIGHT NOW, BUT THE LUNG DISEASES HE HAS ARE
PROGRESSIVE, SO IF SOMETHING ELSE DOESN'T HAPPEN FIRST, HE WILL
LIKELY END UP HAVING TO FIGHT THE BATTLE YOUR DAD IS NOW FIGHTING.
MAY GOD BE WITH YOU AND YOUR DAD, ANDREA.
LOVE,
VAL

DEAR MICKEY,
IS YOUR SON IN KINDERGARTEN? LET US KNOW HOW HE MADE OUT, AND
TRY NOT TO FEEL TOO GUILTY ABOUT HAVING TO LEAVE EARLY. SOUNDS LIKE
YOU'RE A GREAT MOM, AND I BET HE KNOWS THAT:)) TAKE CARE.
LOVE,
VAL

DEAR EXOUSIA,
THANKS FOR THE REASSURANCE. I NEEDED IT:))
LOVE,
VAL

Good evening all
I have attempted twice previously to introduce myself to this group,
but I must have fatfingered it somehow, because I don't see it here.
I have always had some low level of PVC's, but nothing worth
mentioning or complaining about. About five years ago, I stumbled
while jogging, and attempted to regain my balance, failed, and fell
quite hard on the sidewalk. I messed up a front tooth, bruised some
ribs, and dislocated my shoulder, breaking two bones.
My shoulder was basically ruined, and required surgery to reconstruct
it. Afterwards, I went through an elongated period of physical
therapy, which was very, very difficult. When the fractures had
healed, the orthopedist prescribed an anti-inflammatory medicine,
which helped with the pain, but I developed rampant, constant PVC's,
missing one beat out of three. I asked the doctor if that was a side
effect of the medicine (I wish I remembered the name, but I don't)
and he said it was, in some people.
So, I stopped taking it. The PVC's continued, and were so bad that
they drove me crazy. I found that vigorous exercise, that got my
heart rate up to 120 or 140 (my resting pulse is in the 40's) would
make them subside. After time, that didn't work any more.
I visited my internist, in dramatic fashion, showing up with no
appointment. They did an EKG, and said there was nothing there to be
afraid of - nothing dangerous. No treatment required.
Well, I went along with that for a while, and then said something has
to happen. He tried this and that, but nothing worked. After many
sleepless or nearly sleepless nights, including writing the farewell
letter to the loved ones, I went back again, and said this needs to
go to the next level. So he sent me to a cardiologist, who had seen
me years before (trying to figure out my too-slow pulse, which was
suspected of causing other problems). The cardiologist is a
specialist in electrophysiology, the study of the electric impulses
in the heart. Sounds like the right guy, doesn't it?
After taking the usual shot at saying it's not threatening, he got
the picture that it really was threatening, at least to me. After
some tests to reassure himself that it would be OK, he prescribed
Tambocor. The PVC's disappeared immediately, and I was confident
that I had a really smart doctor.
Three days later they came back. But, not nearly as bad, and they
didn't last. I found that I could tolerate them, knowing that they
would eventually subside.
I went along like this for three or four years, and I felt like the
PVC's were getting less. Tambocor is strong stuff, and the doctors
really don't want me taking it, but I'm bigger than they are, and
pretty fit, and they couldn't say no. However, since the symptoms
were subsiding over time, I asked if the cardiologist thought it
would be OK to stop it and see what happened.
This was a couple of weeks ago. I last took Tambocor the Friday
before Labor Day. My PVC's are maybe 10 percent of what they were
when they got really bad. I don't wake up with them much, and only
notice them walking up stairs and stuff like that. My thrice-weekly
workouts have not caused a major problem.
So, maybe I'm getting over them. Or, maybe I'm getting used to
them. Or something in between.
I asked the cardiologist what the cause of PVC's was. He said
something about a bumper sticker that we used to see. (I think it was
in "Forrest Gump")
Anyway, I'm glad to introduce myself, and I am interested in this
berry stuff (is it Hawthorne?) that I have read about here.
Take care
Jim

--- In PeoplewithPVCs@egroups.com, exousia113@a... wrote:
Exousia,
I have them with excercise also.
mickey
Yes! When my heart rate gets up so do the pvc's. I hate it. I can
feel

I just took my son for his 1st real 1/2 day of school today!!!! Phew
that was harder than i expected. He was ok. He looked sad and scared
so that is why i am not so ok today!!!!! I hated to leave him. I feel
like i let him down. He wanted me to stay till he was comfortable and
i said i would try. well i pretty much had to leave right away!!!!
They just take the kids on in and thats it. I know he will be
alright. But i also know that he will ask me tonight why i did not
stay when i said i would try to. yikes! Well, he should be at the
babysitters by now. His day is over. I hope it went well.
On the way to the school my heart flipped out a bit. but i guess i
survived it.
bye for now,
mickey

Andrea,
I agree with you about smoking!!! I am an ex-smoker - and cannot believe now
that I ever did smoke. But I REALLY feel for you - I watched my dad die of
lung cancer (he wasn't even a smoker). I know the horror of watching a loved
one STRUGGLING for air - it was awful. My heart goes out to you!! Hang in
there!!
Susan F

Hi LeAnne,
Glad to have you back. Sometimes EGROUPS has problems too, so it might've
been that? How are you? How is everyone in the group? My Dad is still
fighting. He is a fighter...has always been a strong Man. My PVC's have not
been that bad. I am Heartbroken to see my Dad struggle for breath. So here
I go ....I'm going to Preach....If you smoke..Please quit. :o)
Andrea B.

THANK YOU THANK YOU.. this is good.. seems its usually the "other way" when
you are resting .. and then the pvcs stop during exercise... this has been a
great comfort to know! thanks!
Exousia

I went to see my uncle tonight.
VAL - you did the right thing.. talking to him and saying what in your heart.
I work with Hospice patients and it is the HEARING that is the last thing to
go.. even after the breathing and heart stop the patient may still be
hearing. It is good to give encouragement and even permission to go when end
of life is near. Some folks will actually "hold on" until this is done and
everyone is ready.
May you received heavenly hugs to day from our Lord!
Exousia

You are welcome, Susan.
Christine

Hi Susan B,
Thanks for the response! I am counting on what you said about kids handling
things better than we do! I am calmer, but know leaving will be hard. And I
keep telling myself, worse comes to worse, I go home. But hopefully he will
be just fine!!!!
Susan F

Leanne
Here in Australia there's no shortage of fuel but the price has gone up to
around $1 a litre and for me who has an hour commute to and from work each
day this is a nightmare - it's costing a small fortune!! I hear the world
governments are putting pressure on the oil countries to increase production!!
Susan B

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Hi Susan
It sounds like you're starting to figure out the MindBody connection!!
It's also strong with me - yesterday I felt so ill all day but then forced
myself to think about what was bothering me instead of focussing on my
symptoms. Sure enough there was a whole host of problems that I just needed
to become aware of.,
Hope the retreat is great - don't worry too much - kids handle things better
than we do!!!
Love Susan B

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Barb
Your kids are gorgeous - and - did you make the cake!! Looks yummy
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Hi Lisa,
YUP!!! I'm in Morton Grove. Glenview/Skokie border. How'd you end
up in MN?
Barb
ps. The little girl is my daughter (almost 3- Izabela) and the threesome is
Izabela with my sons on my oldest ones birthday.

thanks bruce...
he doesnt get pain, per say, just that PVC FEELING and weakness.. yes
he got them before he was diagnosed, and on the atenynol.. he doesnt
have to excercise hard.. but when heart rate is up .. they kick in..
dont think he had too many during the stress test though.. just
wondering if others get it too..
exousia
--- In PeoplewithPVCs@egroups.com, "Bruce Green" <bruce.green@m...

Is he feeling an chest pain, discomfort during this exercise? This would be
a warning sign. Did he have these symptoms during exercise before he started
the atenynol? I know atenynol limits your heart rate. I'm one of those whose
PAC/PVCs get better during exercise. I attribute it to the fact that my
heart rate increases; atenynol would block this effect and may be the reason
your husband has the symptoms during exercise. As is the case with PVCers,
every one is different....
-bruce

Hi everyone, just thought i'd post a different subject other than our PVCs !
LOL
How is the fuel situation with you all?
we in england are on the at struggle list at present we have queues quite
long waiting to get whatever fuel may be available. So, it doesn't look like
theres a likelyhood of any change at present.
And my PVCs haven't been so bad either today ! LOL
hope all you PVCers are OK.
leanne.

Hey Barb, where are you? There don't seem to be as many "upper midwester's"
on this list. I am in MN, so we're going "up to the cabin" all the time
around here. Are you in the Chicago area? I went to High School in Glenview.
Wait, did we already have this conversation, and did it involve the
Belushi's? Let me know if I'm losing it,
Lisa

Hi All:
Hubby has been diagnosed with PVCs and takes atenynol daily. Seems his
really acts up during exercise carrying heavy things, cutting grass etc.
Seems we have heard that exercise usually helps them.. but no in him..
He has had all the heart tests including stress tests etc.... but they insist
his heart is fine except for the pvcs.
does this happen to anyone else?
EXOUSIA

Hello All, I am just writing to tell all of you now i am able to post again,
I hope you all have a wonderfull day ! :-)
leanne.
now ive got my PC set up and problem free ( i think) and back to you
wonderfull people i feel so happy !
lots of hugs to all
leanne.

Hi There ! Regarding has anyone had them last that long YES mine are with me
constantly every 3/4 beats and a miss then norm then 3/4 again its been like
this now 4months since i came of beta blockers although it wasn't as bad as
this before i went on them. My doc wants me to try a drug called flecainide
but it has so great side effects ive told him not just yet. So I am welcoming
each day as it comes, I take magnesium (750mg) daily and thats it and
although my palps havn't gone they are definately easier to live with.
Trish. how long have you had your's and have you been told you have PVCs or
could it be v-tach ?
leanne.

Trisha.
omg, you sound like me. When I first started getting PVCs I was about 17 or
18 years old. (I am 25 now). I used to think that I was going to have a heart
attack or somthing. To tell you the truth, they still scare me somtimes when
I get a long run of them or when I go for days with no break in them. But I
have had all of the tests and have been re-assured by 2 cardiologists and
MANY doctors that they are benign (not harmful) and they are just somthing
that I would have to live with. In my case, mine has been aggrivated recently
by some rapid weight gain due to a endocrine disorder I have and also my
thyroid. But I think as soon as I start dropping some weight and getting on
my thyroid meds I will see a drastic drop in the # of palps I feel.
In many peopls case, certain food triggers can bring on PVCs AND PACs too.
For me its not any particular food that I have noticed, just food in general.
If I eat a big meal, I am certain to get them! Its all about the diaphragm
pushing up on the heart I think. It irritates the heart, thus causing the
PVCs.. Thats my theory anyway. You will hear a lot of those around hear as we
all are saerching for *what* might be the cause of these things as most of
the time they seem to come out fo the blue!
Anyway, you are not alone and you have come to the right place. Just remember
that you are going to be fine. There are folks on this list who have 20,000+
of these things A DAY!!! And they are still alive and living good, normal
lives. So when you start getting upset about the ones that you have, just try
to remember that you are OK :) They are only harmful if you have a damaged
heart (ie: had a heart attack or somthing). And even then, there are meds you
could take to help with that.
Take care, and WELCOME!!! :)
Kelly

Speaking of night owls...I'm beginning to count on you at this hour lately!!
The other night I finally went to bed after 1:30am, shortly after, my 4yr
old woke up wanting something, then he went back to bed. Then at 5am my
daughter comes to our bed crying, threw her in our bed, 'cause I was nuts
with sleep deprivation and still feeling the skips all night, even thru my
sleep (if that's what I could call it then). All 3 kids got up before
7am....had to get them ready for school...etc, and somehow later during the
day they were better, but I was TIRED.
This weekend my son had a soccer game on Sat., then we went to our lakehouse
in WI, and about 8pm Sat. they kicked in again big time, (wish I had a
laptop for trips away from home!!), Sunday morning felt good, we got home
after 7pm and they're going nuts again. I already took a lorezepam about an
hour ago, hoping to get to sleep sooner than usual lately, BUT I'm still
here... I don't know if they are "wilder" since I started drinking this
Mellissa Tea, it's supposed to have calming effects. And I started taking
the Hawthorn Berry since Thurs. Then again I am mid cycle, and according to
past recollections, they do go more nuts than usual at this time too....
So go figure, How many more theories do we all have. I should get some
doctor to try doing a research study, but then we're not life-threatened by
our "condition" so why should they waste their time!!
Well, I need to stay calm or I'll never get to sleep!! Right?!?!
Hope your all better!!
Barb

Dear Trisha,
Yes, I've definitely had them for that long, and have had them
turn out to be nothing serious. I've also worried about having a
heart attack and keeling over from these things, but that's not
happened either, and I've had them for 20 years:)) We all seem to
have different triggers for the PVCs, so maybe milk is one of your
triggers. Lots of us have noticed a connection with digestive
disorders and our PVCs, so it doesn't surprise me that the milk seems
to trigger them for you. I'm sure you'll get a lot of reassuring
responses to your e-mail. Wish I could write more, but it's late and
I have to finish my lesson planning. Welcome to the group - I'm glad
you found us. Everyone on this board is WONDERFUL:)))
Love,
Val

Dear Dave,
That's a good message, and with God's grace I'm hoping I will
meet the challenge. Thanks:)
Val

Val,
Our loved ones are just a loan from God. We have to be thankful for what
we're given. We enter this world all alone with only the presence of God
and leave this world the same way. The challenge in-between is to love God
more than his gifts.
Dave

hi there..
well im glad i found this list!
last year i was having alot of them..and it was worse with my anxiety
disorder..
i was tested with an ekg and a 30 day holter monitor..
the doc said that they were not harmful..
well ..i got used to them i guess and when it happened i didn't freak
out as much..
one thing that i discovered was that i think milk tends to give me more
of them..
i was drinking *alot* of milk everyday and a warm glass every night
before bed..
during last xmas..i was really sick and didn't drink any milk at all...
and i didnt have *any* palps...
so that's when i thought that maybe the milk had something to do with
them..
i was getting them off and on..maybe one or 2 good thumps every once in
awhile and
it didn't really faze me because i figured they weren't going to hurt
me..
well last thursday...they started again...and i'm talking they came back
big time..
i was sitting at the comp and i noticed that it was happening every 10
minutes..a skipped beat..
after it lasted for more then a half hour...i really started to
worry..ive never had them in threads like that before..
then it was happening every 2 mins...i called my doc and they had me
come in..in the waiting room it was
every 30 seconds or so..it was about an hour till i got to see him...so
at this point my heart had been skipping
for about 2 hours non stop...
my blood pressure was 132/90..(is that bad?)
they did an ekg "to make sure its not a heart attack" (which scared me
even more when he said that!)..
they said it wasn't a heart attack..and he said my heart sounded good...
they got worse when i layed down for the ekg too...
he couldn't give me a prescription for a beta blocker because of my
asthma...but did give me an anti anxiety prescription ativan..
he also wants to put me on another holter monitor for 24 hours...
they lasted a total of 7 hours..the last 4 hours skipping every 4th
beat!
finally stopping right before i went to bed..
they haven't been like that again...ive felt maybe the normal one or 2 a
day..but nothing like that day..
i remembered that the night before this happened that i had had a big
glass of milk with some chocolate chip cookies..
and im wondering if that's the reason..im also pretty stressed lately
and hadn't been getting much sleep at all..a couple nights
not being able to sleep till 7am...its been rough..
the ativan sure did help that though and i've been getting full night
sleeps...im afraid of getting addicted to it though..
now im back to constantly worrying if im going to have more and have a
heart attack..
and i keep thinking i feel pain...
what if there's something that the doctor missed?
has anyone else ever had them last for so long and it end up that
nothing is seriously wrong?
thanks for listening
trisha
*

Hi Andrea, ive just posted (to me) and yes its ok ! I dont know whats been
going wrong because ive not really changed anything, just been going through
making sure things looked ok ! Well, whatever it was its gone SO THANKS so
much.
Hope I am not pushing my luck and it happens again ! LOL
Leanne.
PS, now i am back i hope everyone is ok (as good as can be) love, leanne.

Hi all if anyone reads this no i havn't yet gone crazy but i am posting out
to see if i get the e-mail back to myself ! LOL
Leanne.

Hi Andrea, just got your e-mail re:- it did go through the group AND ive had
a posting SO i am now going to send this out to see if it comes back to me.
keep them fingers crossed ! LOL
Leanne.

Hi Leanne
I got your post, so you won't have to scream:))
Val

As a reply to Kelly:I, too get "that feeling" before pvc's start--it's
impossible to explain, isn't it? It's sort of like knowing that you're going
to sneeze way before you really start going,"ah-ah'ah CHOO!" Also, like you,
I get them much worse right after I've eaten (the double doozy is when I eat
and then lie down.Ouch.) Here's something interesting: My husband and I just
got back from a three week trip to Italy (sigh) where I was pounding down
MINERAL WATER every spare moment, and my pvc's took a nice 3 week
vacation--there could be a correlation here. Anyone else ever try mineral
water? The high mineral content ones are the best, I guess. Just a
thought-Nancy

Yes, we all look normal, don't we?

Couldn't open up your picture.

thanks roxy, hey its kindda cool ,sending pictures. i have a scanner. i ll
try to send a picture soon. byee. don

hi barb, i would never ignore you guys. if i dont answer back,i am usually
gone. take care,talk to you soon, don

Christine,
Boy did you hit the nail on the head!! A part of me feels calm about this
trip, otherwise I wouldn't be going. But I need to work on the part of me
that still has irrational fears - and from that I will grow and change. Come
a long way already - got a long way to go!! But I guess that's life - it is
a process. Thanks for the encouragement!
Susan F

Thanks, Mickey! When I can quell my fears enough, I feel calm and do think
it will be OK in the end! Just get these times, especially at night, when I
go, "What am I doing, I can't leave!!" I'll try to relax and enjoy the
weekend - hope you do the same!!
Susan F

Jen,
Well, if you're neurotic, you're not alone!!!! I know how you feel - one
time a couple of years ago I almost wasn't home for the bus at the end of
school and I was PANICING! "My babies will be home alone and wondering where
I am!! What a horrible mother I am!!" But I made it home and all was fine.
Actually, I'm sure they would have been a lot calmer than I, had I not made
it home!! Which may be what you found with your son?!
Susan F

Susan,
Remember it is normal to feel this way. Just go through your feelings and
put them in place. You are going to be fine and he will too. Other mothers
and fathers have and are going through what you are. It would be nice to
skip all the sick feelings but you do not grow as a person or become strong
when you do not go through change.
Christine

Let me go get it.....Brand name is Vistaril and Generic name is HYDROXZY
PAM. I go looney with that stuff. The doctor said it was a form of
antihistimine used to treat anxiety. I just know that my body can not
handle it or even taking a .05mg of Klonopin. I can not even take half and
wait a couple of hours and take the other half of the Klonopin. And that
other drug is capsule form. But I am still having all my symptoms and my
chest hurts right now. I just need to surrender.
Christine

Hello Andrea and everyone,
I need to sign off for a while and I'm having trouble finding out how to
do it. I've got just basic computer skills....could someone please help me
out here and tell me rather specifically how to unsubscribe for a while??
This group is THE BEST...I have a few of your private e-mail addresses
written down and I'll e-mail soon, I promise!
Love you alll!!! DEBinPA

Even
Jen... not neurotic. Only a good mom would even wonder! He will be fine, and
so will you. Have a fun weekend! Lisa

Susan,
Boy do I know how you feel. Take for example this morning...I call my son (6
yrs. old) every morning when I get to work, he is at the neighbors waiting for
the bus. He just started first grade so this calling every morning started a
week ago. Today, I arrive at work having a million things to do and before I
realize it it is 8:45 a.m. and he is on the bus and I forgot to call. I was
practically in tears thinking that he probably sat by the phone waiting, and got
on the bus upset that I did not call. Does he think I abandoned him???? So I
call my neighbor who says,hmm I don't even think he noticed! But can I let it
go? Nooooo, I stay upset for at least an hour telling myself that he is too shy
to act upset in front of anyone and I just know deep down he was wondering why I
didn't call and his whole day is ruined because of it. Even writing this down
gives me a knot in my stomach, I am so anxious for tonight to see if he was
really upset. Am I neurotic or what?
Jen

Well, it is one week before I will be leaving on my retreat and I think I
figured out the TRUE reason (or at least strongest reason) for my nausea. I
am starting to freak out thinking of leaving my two year old, Ryan. I feel
like I'm abandoning him!!!! Even though my rational mind says, "It is a few
days and then you'll be back, he'll be with his dad and grandmother" etc., my
emotional self is not handling it so well!! Like you Suzy, I tend to have
the most anxiety anticipating things. HOPEFULLY, both he and I will be fine,
but I have a whole week to wait through and feel anxious and I have PMS!!!
My PACs have been acting up a bit, but tolerable. I just feel SICK TO MY
STOMACH!! And now I'm crying...I'm a mess!
Susan F

hi everybody, i am back from taiwan. what an adventure. too long to explain.
i missed all of you guys. i have at least 2 million messeges to go through,
the ones i read so far ,it sounds like nobody missed me or mentioned my name.
its like i never existed. but it doesnt bother me, i am tough, i can handle
this.(:
about 2 months. my cardio told me to go off all my supplements and see what
happens,and they seemed to dissapear, maybee its just a coincidence.i am
afraid to start back on vitamins etc,but i think i need them. for 10 years
before my pvcs ,i have been taking(every day) a multi- vitamin,vitamin e ,
vitamin c, b. coq10, glucocimine, shark cartilage, and others. he thinks one
of the herbs or vitamins i was having had an adverse effect on my heart and
causing pvcs. who knows. all i know is i dont feel them anymore, and i
probably wont take anything for a while, but i think i at least need a multi
a day. all of you take care,while i read some of your posts, hugs from don

WELL, I forwarded my kids and didn't post a name.....It's awfully late here...1:30am

I need to take something, cause it's not getting better....

Hope you all have a good night

Barb

That is neat how we both saw a resemblance to the same person! She must get
that comparison alot!!
Very beautiful girl!!
Barb (who's little girl just woke up crying....it's already
12:32am.......I need to get to sleep.....)
Kelly...I also have a hotmail account...what was that about messenger.....I
am slow at this hour!! :o)))

Susan,
Your daughter is beautiful.!!! Is her hair naturally curly/wavy???
What a doll!!! Does she look like you??
Barb
(looking at her closely...she kinda reminds me of a mini Nicole Kidman, I
don't know why... Like the eyes maybe? :o))

Hi Susan,
I am trying your breathing as I type....:o))) I will try anything
at the moment!!
You just reminded me I have tons of pictures from a digital camera on my
computer from the kids birthday parties... maybe I'll pick thru something!!!
What time is it for you now???
Barb

Well - I've done it and succesfully uploaded a picture of my darling
daughter all dressed up as flowergirl for my nieces wedding recently.
Hope you all enjoy it.
Love Susan (in south australia)
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Thanx Kelly,
I wish I was still up for more pleasant reasons. I am REALLY trying
to relax, just surfing the net, pacing around, getting water....basically
trying to distract myself. I should try to just go to bed, but I know what
that'll be like if my eyes aren't closing yet on their own.... toss/turn,
and jump out of bed@(*^*&^%
I remember being a 'night owl'!! This was years ago before I had children!!
:o))) Those were the days... late nights...no pvc's....AAAHHH.....
I seriously think tonight is due to tummy trouble (probably from the
anxiety) and mid cycle I think....Can't these DOCS figure something out!!!
Barb
(if you're still up....write back!!!) :o))

Hi Erin

I was wondering if you split the 1500mg per day...2-3x a day or all at once?? You had no side effects..slow HR, did it drastically change your blood pressure ??? Did you still take any other supps...magnesium/vitamins???? How about anti-anxiety meds....did you use them ever with the hawthorn??

Hope you are totally pvc-free!! Wish this works for all of us!

I have mine now over one year. Can't imagine those who have had this for years and years....Bless you all!!

Lets keep our fingers crossed!!

Barb

(still palping away.....so my posts might be coming in all night--hahaha==I might start not making sense soon, too!!!)

I've just worked out how to look at all the picture under 'Files" Duh!!!
You also look pretty much how I imagined - weird isn't it. You look great -
not like someone who suffers all this crappy stuff!!! We all look so
normal!!!!!
I'm going to load a picture of my daughter in a minute that I already have
on disk. One of me will be when our scanner is fixed soon.
Love Susan B.
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Yes Gord,

That makes sense!! At first when I looked at the bottle, I wasn't even thinking. After I sent the message I thought--DUHH!!!

Probably sounded like a dumb question!

Anyway, I'm still up. It feels like "one of those nights". Hope of course that's all it is. I drank my melissa fix tea hoping it calms me down. I am getting lightheaded, and keep 'coughing', and it's really starting to drive me nuts! The slow HR, skip, thump... skip...pause... the funky tight feeling in my chest....You all know what I mean.

Hope everyone is better than me at the moment!!

Barb

It's great the "theraputic" value of those kind of self help books .. the ones with enough medical details but written in a way that makes you think "that's me!" ....... infact if you find yourself in a bit of a state reading them can help you calm down alot

Gord & everyone,
Hee hee!! Don't worry about the stethoscope. The last medical I had to
have for employment purposes only took about 20 minutes and the stethoscope
thing only about 30 seconds. I think even if they heard ectopic beats they
would probably just think it a normal variant in an otherwise healthy heart!!
Besides which you'll probably be slightly nervous and your heart rate will
be a bit higher than normal which from my experience prevents too many
pvc/pacs from slipping their slimy little way in!!!
I think the recommended dose of Hawthorn is 1000mg per day and you can get
it in capsule/tablet form which is probably more reliable than drinking the
tea (which probably tastes gross anyway!!).
I had something interesting happen a while back. I read a book by Dr. John
E Sarno called the MindBody Connection and started focussing on my emotions
rather than my body. About two days after that my pvc's virtually went away
and I developed neck pain. This bothered me a lot and then I realised I
should probably start focussing on my emotions again - voila the neck pain
disappeared and now I have back/leg pain and some panic attacks.
Sorry for the long winded message but I am absolutely convinced that with a
lot of these ailments your mind is providing a very strong distraction to
make you focus on your physical symptoms rather than having to deal with
unpleasant and often inappropriate emotions.
At the moment I'm having a merry little time swinging from one symptom to
another - it seems like my mind just wants to constantly run away from
thinking "pyschologially" instead of "physically".
Hope this makes sense. I would urge anyone to read the book - it's called
The MindBody Prescription - Healing the body - Healing the Pain by Dr. John
E Sarno (by the way he's a professor at Rusk Institute in N.Y. so is not a
'quack'). I would be verrrrry interested to hear other comments about the book.
I saw myself in every page.
Love Susan B. (in south australia)
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Sorry this may have been covered already but I've been having a hard time keeping up with the posts lately ... what form do you hawthorne takers take the stuff?? Is it in a tea, pills or what? I've really got to look into this further as I was reading about how good it is for stabilizing BP too which could really help me.

Tomorrow I've got to go take a medical examination for the new company I am joining ... actually this is the first time I've had to take a medical for a job and not sure what to expect.

Thanks

Gord.