Premature Ventricular Contractions and more

Hi again, I noted that most people's PVCS actually troubled them more at
night. Do you think its a possibility that its the body winding down after
day and we possibly dont seem to notice them quite as much during the day ?
I know for one (me) that mine are there every day morning afternoon and when
I try to sleep at night. And some days are worse than others, like they are
for everyone !
Do you go to bed early ? I used to but since I tended to notice them more
then I started to watch tv or anything to occupy my mind until I felt so
tired all I could think about was sleep !! lol
jackie.

Hi Chris, I totally agree with whatever YOUR doc says ! I definitely think
its got everything to do with reflux. Goes to show, one doc (mine) said it
doesn't and yours says it does !
It makes me so sick ! after all docs are docs so they should all know the
same thing I am very tempted to go and ask my other doc to give me the zooton
again for the reflux take it try it and see what happens !
jackie.

hi jackie, yes,i decided that i am so allergic to so many things, i would get
some weird side effect if i started to take meds. so i choose not to take
any. byee, don

sorry to hear that katherine is feeling out of it right now, my very best
wishes go out to the both of you. And yes, if you find the time please let us
know what meds she is on.
jackie.

Hi, its so nice to hear from a husband of a sufferer, you say she is to start
trying nitroglycerine patches, what will this do ? i mean, what could it do
for her and what is actually in it ?
is she also on other meds ? I dont get the crushing feeling or the
hyperventilating all i seem to get is the flutterings and the miss beats and
extra beats and have come close to feeling my heart is not going to start
again, pretty scary ! ive had them for about 3 years but when i first started
they were only present for a day or two on and off over a month now, they are
there when i go to bed in bed and when i get up all day every day so they
have got worse but, after 3months on beta blockers that made me worse i came
off them and haven't took anything since. I would take meds if it was proved
to be beneficial but at present docs can't say what will help so i'm not
willing to take chances anymore ! lol.
How long has your wife had them ? and is the medication she takes helped her ?
And last of all, what meds is she on ?
love and best wishes, jackie.

Hi, I see from your e-mail that you were awake last night with the blasted
things again. I have taken the hostile approach, when it comes on do
something anything tell it you are not going to interfere with my life,
laugh at it and say you've been here before and you're still here !! dont
let you're life be ruled by the thing make it fit in with you, tell yourself
you are not going to harm me and i am going to get on with everyday normal
things. lol.
you have heard the saying :- dont let your heart rule your head ? no truer
saying !!!!
love, jackie.

Hi, I think i'll take a tip on the fact that you have no watches and clocks
in your house and remove the ones that have second fingers. I also am now
taking the solum vow, I REFUSE TO TAKE MY PULSE these palps can go and do a
jump i am not a sick person and thoroughly healthy in every way, and these
palps will never again get the better of me !!!! lol
Today is going to be the first day i refuse to accept them, they are going to
live with me and NOT interfere with my lifestyle ANYMORE. There, i feel loads
better.
Infact when i start to get one as i am now i shall say to it "you again" go
and get lost in the wind !! lol.
hope everyone is feeling ok, if thats possible.
love to everyone, on this new day, a new beggining. jackie.

In a message dated 07/11/2000 12:31:55 PM Central Daylight Time,
jackieslack@... writes:
<< Hi again, good for you that you have obviously learned to live with them !
however, i cant fail to check my pulse because when my heart starts doing
the
flip flop so does my pulse so i know its going to miss a beat or two to the
same rhythm of my heart rate. I see you take no meds is this by choice ?
bye for now, jackie.
Jackie....a few of us on this board have made personal commitments or
all-out-efforts to just NOT TAKE OUR PULSES EVER. At first it's really
difficult....but all it does is scare you, ya know? It's the first step in
learning to deal with the PVC's in a manner where they eventually don't run
your life.
I know that this is WAY easier said than done, but it's worth a real effort.
I have no watches or clocks in the house that have second hands, so I can't
take my pulse rate....and I just refuse to take my pulse. AND, I'm someone
who used to walk around with a stethoscope around my neck listening to my
heart, so as you can see I've come a long way from THAT craziness. LOL
Suzy

Hi there ! its as well we are all in the same boat, so to speak on this site
otherwise i feel you would not have anyone to talk to with your PVC's, why
does your husband think its all in your mind when theres hundreds of us out
here with the same thing !!
perhaps if you had his support then things would quieten down a little ! its
so much easier when those closest to us realise how we feel. If in the
meantime you cannot speak to your husband we will be here for you afterall,
those who have PVC's know its not in your mind AND you are definitely not a
drug addict.
love, jackie.

Hi suzy, I see that you actually had it held between your breasts ! there
said it ! lol
i have never had this done well, not there ! ive had an heart scan where they
move the probe around your heart but i was told to hold my own breast in the
air ! well only while she did the left chamber but i'm beginning to wonder if
ive had the same echo as you !
bye for now, i'm having a do (palps) at the moment well, whats new just feels
like ajelly doing somersaults ! lol
jackie.

Hi again, good for you that you have obviously learned to live with them !
however, i cant fail to check my pulse because when my heart starts doing the
flip flop so does my pulse so i know its going to miss a beat or two to the
same rhythm of my heart rate. I see you take no meds is this by choice ?
bye for now, jackie.

Barb

I have been reading the posts for a long time now,rarely sending some, afraid no one will understand my broken English,I am French.

Anyway,my heart do pound like that at night mostly,I believe my anxiety level goes up

at that time ,because in the past thats when I used to run to the ER,now I run to my Xanax,

I couln't live without them,my dear husband who travel a lot ,thank god,call me a drug addict

and believe I am mentally sick,he doesn't believe in doctors,PVC'S,and when I used to wake him to take me to the ER, he got so mad, that now if I had to go I will drive myself.

You are all so wonderful,and I hope I didn't ramble on too much.

PVC"S are a B

One question,is anyone experience brief periods of dizziness during a big PVC'S attack?

Sound like an horror movie.

Thank you.

Gigi

Hi, I myself sometimes do have dizzy spells but, on mentioning them to my doc
he says they are not related to the palps, i beg to differ !
you say during a big PVC attack, what feelings do you get when you have this
one ?
jackie.

Hi, I note you said that the part off the echo involves lying on your side
for half an hour whilst the doc/nurse has a hand between your **** how come ?
whats this for ?
(the hand bit) lol. when i have my echos done it takes all of 60 secs and
all they do is say lie down flat and off they go !
interesting people aren't they these docs ! lol makes you wonder why !
bye for now, jackie.

Hi and thanx for your info on the bucket of water ! lol, dont think i'll try
that one either.
Someone told me that if you swallow an ice cube it actually stops the palps !
thing is you dont always carry an ice cube around in your pocket! lol
I think as we have this damned curse that we shall always be looking for a
quick fix cure and hopefully will find it quicker than the docs will cos all
they want to do is stuff you with drugs pat your back and say take them and
be good. well, its not good enough, they dont have to put up with it and i'm
getting pretty p******* off now !
well, i'm gonna sit down, calm down and relax (for now)
bye, jackie.

Hi don, you say you have approx 6 os so per min some times, can i ask you
what do they feel like ?
and have your symptoms ever completely disappeared ?
last but not least ! have you ever had medication ?
many thanx, jackie.

hi sindy, ok let me know. i know a paps would not feel good to a woman
because they scrape and take a sample., but a prostate examine,they put their
fingers in your butt , so it might feel good to a gay man. they actually
might look forward to it. byee, don

Christine
I was pregnant a year ago (ended up miscarrying anyway) but I had to stop my
diazepam (valium) and zoloft straight away when I found out. Probably best
to check a.s.a.p. with your doctor.
Love Susan
p.s. are you hoping???

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In a message dated 07/10/2000 7:00:16 PM Central Daylight Time,
sosaustr@... writes:
<< Suzy - did you manage to get a
copy of that book by Dr. John Sarno yet? I am sticking to applying his
principles and guess what - my wrenched neck which would normally take weeks
to get better is all better. I just kept examining my emotions instead of
my physical feelings!!
Yes! I picked it up at the library today, but haven't had a chance to look
at it yet. Also got the first Harry Potter book just to see what all the
ruckus is about. But I don't have time to look at either of them 'cuz I'm
trying to build up my business.
Regarding benzo's....I'm kinda used to the low dose of Klonopin that I'm on
and really don't notice any "me" missing. What's missing is that constant
feeling of dread....so I guess I'll stay on them for awhile. I still am able
to get very happy and very sad....no emotional blunting.
Suzy

Anyone still out there...??? I seem to be desparate for your support mostly at night-time, although today the whole day has been rufffff.......My heart feels like its gonna pound out of my chest any second. I don't usually have the real hard pounding with the skipping, usually its the chest tightness with the discomfort and skipping. I don't know why now its pounding so hard...could this still be the 'same ole thing' or should I be even more worried it's something else with the pvc's??!?!?@?#@?.? Can anyone relate or shed some insight??

barb

ps. I think I'm heading for the lorezepam..... or another sleepless night..

My mother-in-law had the kidney surgery today,, so far so good-- they said it went well. Wednesday they will have results from the lab.

Hi All!
Just wanted to note that on page 86 of the July 3 People magazine (Prince
William on cover) I ran across an ad for Tums (a calcium based antacid in
the US, for those of you "across the pond"!) that was, in whole, targeting
women with PMS! It had nothing to do with digestion per se, but instead
suggested that women with PMS symptoms should take 2 Tums E-X morning and
night to replace lost CALCIUM from "during the period before your peroid"!
They said women report much easing of symptoms when following this course
for 1-2 months and beyond. They also mentioned healthier stronger bones, and
said for more info to visit www.tums.com or call 1-800-321-2681. Many of us
have noted more PVC's at that time, and many have played around with calcium
supplements to help PVC's too. I just thought the connection presented was
interesting.
Lisa

hi all
i haven't been around the last few days so i've had quite a few posts to
catch up on! I am now Zoloft free for 6.5 weeks and 5 days ago stopped
taking my nightly dose of diazepam (valium). The withdrawal has been and
still is quite horrid but I can feel myself coming back to being "ME". It
feels so good - there is absolutely no way I will go back on any of these
drugs. I have had pvc's almost every day for the last 6 weeks but I am
trying some deep breathing during the episodes and if all else fails I just
get up and have a walk around. I still hate them but hey I've had them for
11 years now and if they were going to hurt me I'm sure they would have by now.
the calcium thing (tums) is interesting. I have been taking mag. but not
calcium so may try that too as there's definitely a hormonal connection with
mine too.
To anyone who is not happy taking either anti-depressants or benzodiazepens
then my advice is to get off them - of course there will be rebound anxiety
- but look on it as purely a withdrawal symptom and feel the real "you"
coming back.
My emotional deadness is going - I feel more like smiling and laughing and
I'm not quite so horribly tired.
Anyway I guess I've rambled long enough. Suzy - did you manage to get a
copy of that book by Dr. John Sarno yet? I am sticking to applying his
principles and guess what - my wrenched neck which would normally take weeks
to get better is all better. I just kept examining my emotions instead of
my physical feelings!!
Love Susan
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Gigi, you have to go to egroups.com and unsubscribe there.
Bye,
Suzy

hi jackie, no, i am on no medication i am allergic to so many things my
doctor said it was not a good idea. i just kept trying to ignore it. it is
very difficult because i get about 4 -6 a minute somtimes. i also had and
still have a pain in the center of my chest more to the left side. it comes
and goes , but i think i have a pulled muscle like bruce. i lift weights and
i think i tore something, athough if i lift again it doesnt hurt untill
later.you cant help to think the pain is heart related,but remember what we
have is BENIGN!!! bye, don

Hi Jackie,
Thanks for writing to me. Let me answer some of your
questions. Klonopin is an anti-anxiety drug, not a beta blocker. My
cardiologist has always steered me away from heart drugs because he
says that in a case where the PVC's are not all that serious (mine
are unifocal and have always looked the same on the EKG and there are
no structural problems with my heart, etc...), the heart drugs can
make them worse. That was enough to convince me not to take them!
I'm rather drug phobic as it is:)) Mine tend to get worse when I
become anxious about them, so that's when I take the Klonopin. It
works well for me almost all the time, but I've never found anything
that ALWAYS works with these stupid PVCs. I started getting PVCs
when I was 17, and they have definitely gone through spells of being
better and worse. Like many of you, I made numerous trips to the ER
and to my cardiologist before finally accepting that even at their
very worse, they haven't gone on into some other serious arrhythmia
(which is what I always worry about them doing). My PVCs are
definitely worse during ovulation and around the time of my period.
I've always thought there was some kind of hormonal connection, and
after reading some of the letters in this group, I'm even more
convinced! I guess that little observation doesn't help the guys in
the group very much. Sorry about that:)) I sometimes go through
weeks (and even months) of not having them. There have even been
times when I thought they were gone for good, only to find that they
were back again:( I completely agree with you about this group. I
wish I had found it a long time ago. Only people who suffer with
these things can really understand what we go through. Thanks to
everyone who has welcomed me in. I am really looking forward to
being a part of this group.
Val

In a message dated 07/09/2000 3:55:04 PM Central Daylight Time,
vturner@... writes:
<< John 6:27 - "You cannot add any time to your life by worrying about
it." I do my best to remember that verse. It's a good one!
Yes, Val, it's a VERY good one. I live in a 2nd floor walk-up apartment and
when I'm carrying bags of groceries up those 15 steps (an activity which
often sets off a few PVC's), I say to myself:
The
Lord
Is
My
Shepherd
And
We
Don't
Care
If
My
Healthy
Heart
Skips
Beats
I also have a little Beanie Baby lamb tucked under the right visor in my car
to remind me that I am just a sweet little lamb with a loving shepherd.
The stair thing is not a pointless "mantra" for me....it just gets my head in
the right place instead of thinking "OHMIGOSH, I sure hope my heart doesn't
skip beats!!!!"
Peace AND Palpitations,
Suzy

Hi val, reading through the e-mail i wondered what type of drug klonopin is.
I haven't heard of it before and wondered if it was a type of beta blocker?
are you on any other meds? i also see you have had them for 20yrs ! wow !
I thought mine were bad 3yrs ! i'm just a beginner then.
have yours got any worse or better ? and is there anything you can think of
that you do that brings relief from them ?
also, do you find that you get rest periods ? i.e.:- hrs/days/weeks, etc. ?
And last but not least, how old were you when they started?
like you, i was also new to this group just 8weeks ago but, god knows what i
would have done if someone hadn't told me to join here !! this has done me
more good than any doc could have done in a million years.
so for now, bye, jackie.

hello everyone, i am back fom chicago. spent two weeks for business and
pleasure. wow a lot of mail for me to catch up on. i left chicago when i was
10 ,so i have not been back there in 37 years!!! i grew up on pitakee
lake,about 40 miles from downtown. what a nightmare to drive downtown. if you
dont excelerate as soon as the light turns green,eveybody is honking at you.
"al gore"was speaking on navy pier so all the streets were backed up. navy
pier has totally changed. dont ever drive south to find a motel. bad bad
areas. try not to take a red eye flight, like i did, and dont park your car
and let the meter run out. my car was towed. thats another story.
i drove for two hours trying to find our former home on the lake, then
decided to call my 98 year old grandma. by my suprise she still had the deed
to the property dated 1923. ha ha. so i gave the info to a realtor and he
looked it up for me and found it!!. i started to drive to the house ,and
different things and signs were bringing back memories. for a moment i felt
like i was a kid looking at things while my parents drove. i found it . it
didnt change too much. the front yard looked smaller than i had emagined as a
kid. the yard facing the lake was beautiful. i remembered everything!!
sitting on the pier at night as a kid and looking at the stars, fishing all
the time, taking out the boat, catching turtles, nightcrawlers and of course
fire flies. i sat on the pier for about an hour,taking it all in. a neighbor
saw me and asked who i was. i could go on for a long time , so i will stop
here. i hope everyone is doing fine. i had pvcs off and on the whole trip,but
i didnt let it get to me. i still havent checked my pulse in 3 weeks!! i am
too tired to check my spelling,hope i didnt miss spell anything that might
sound sexual. ha ha. take care and hugs to all, don

Hi, its interesting to read of your last e-mail that the nurse you attended
to at the ER actually held her breath whilst bearing down ! lol, however, it
would be interesting to know of any other person with PVCs that " do their
own thing".
jackie.

I really think its got something to do with the digestive system cos although
my palps are there all day nearly every day they are worse definitely when i
have a funny tummy !
worth thinking about.
jackie.

Bruce,
I have had everything but a stress EKG. I also have to get an echo done
every year because I had a leaking tricuspid valve about three years
ago. And the only reason they found that out was because they were
thinking the PVC's were MVP because my mom has it. My weak valve was
contributed to me hypothyroidism, and other than that, my heart was in
perfect condition. But I have to admit that knowing I am going to have
an echo once a year takes a little of the panic away.
Melissa

Hi again, do you or anyone else who has PVCS find that if they have a rather
grumbling tummy that their pvc are worse ?
its just a thought as, i myself have been having a feeling like indigestion
you know ?
the feeling that your stomach is saying hey, i'm upset and it goes into growl
mode !
would be interesting to know how many people with pvcs have had this.
jackie.

Hi, well, ive had a real palp attack today its driving me NUTS, but, its not
gonna get me !!
bye for now, jackie.

Hi, yes i do get blurry eyes, its like you want to keep rubbing them to see
if it will clear and i dont think its to do with the tiredness because my
eyes can mist over anytime. I dont mention it to the doc though because even
though i believe that it is down to PVC's they think that you imagine things.
I reckon if some docs had their way they would hand out any old pills and say
try this see if that helps.I think that we could find the cure ourselves
individually to eliminate most PVC's without docs interfering and am
seriously considering looking further into herbal remedies.
bye for now.
jackie.

thanx for your info on natural meds !
i too have always thought that the answer to eliminating PVC's lie in natural
substances i.e.:- mag hawthorn etc. but, my doc is a fuddy duddy and wants me
to wait until ive seen my cardio this month incase he wants to try some more
drugs. she says that mag ect could interfere with medication and doesn't want
me on it until then ! I CANT WIN !!!!!
jackie.

Hi, i too tend to get headaches when my palps play up good style. Its as
though the pounding that they give is so bad that the head thinks its going
to pound with them !!
I was on beta blockers for 3 months and came off them because of a racing
continuous heart rate and since then (2months) ive not had a palp free day.
Before i went on them i used to have free weeks or days but now not a break
at all, i get them all day everyday from getting up to going to bed and there
even there if i get up in the night for the loo.
BETA BLOCKERS!!! i wish i had never seen them.
jackie.

Hi Barb
No no you're not the only 'whiner'. I wrenched by neck a couple of days ago
- had to spend yesterday in bed with a sore neck and pvc's!! I feel
soooooooooorrrrry for myself!
Also - does anyone else get blurry vision and feel tired all the time.
Sometimes I feel like I'm in an absolute fog and today is one of those days.
Love Susan

the hospital....(glad it's not ME though... although today I feel like I'm
all out of it, pvc's and all...I feel like I should go in!!)
9:30am. She is starting to get awfully anxious. She has been going for
Reiki therapy a few times since her diagnosis, and says it helps... she's
telling me to go. Anyone have any thoughts on this type of therapy???
fine, he ended his steroids today for the MS relapse, and he's still pretty
capable to fend for himself (which is great), quite a bit slower, but better
than not.
anything serious I guess, but PAINFUL... I ripped my nail on my right hand
ring finger off the nail bed and one corner of the root is out....GROSSS i
know (sorry), but she said to leave it, it's going to fall off anyway, but
she gave me a tetanus shot, and my arm is soo sore today :o((( Does this
shot have side effects??? Needless to say I feel like poo-poo tonite, in
general, strange headache (again...been getting those lately often) aches
here and there, which of course kick in anxiety mode so the pvc's kicked in
afterall, during the day was quiet, but last nite they were bad too, but
come to think of it, I am mid-cycle and could be that also!! Anyone else
feeling real bad and am I the only 'whiner' tonite???
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Yes, Mickey that interest me a lot and I am glad she and everyone else is
going to be ok. I pray she does not have to go down the road I have and
that it is not nothing serious. Enjoy your vacation and let her know I know
the feeling!!!!!
Christine

Hi Monique...and everyone!! (where is everyone lately....it's toooo quiet out there!! :o)) I guess that should be a good thing?!?!?

Sounds kind of like my past few weeks, with everyone in/out of the hospital....(glad it's not ME though... although today I feel like I'm all out of it, pvc's and all...I feel like I should go in!!)

My mother in law is scheduled for the kidney surgery on july 10 at 9:30am. She is starting to get awfully anxious. She has been going for Reiki therapy a few times since her diagnosis, and says it helps... she's telling me to go. Anyone have any thoughts on this type of therapy???

My dad got out of the hospital, finally since june 15. His CHF is fine, he ended his steroids today for the MS relapse, and he's still pretty capable to fend for himself (which is great), quite a bit slower, but better than not.

But anyway, I ended up going to the doc yesterday, not for pvc's or anything serious I guess, but PAINFUL... I ripped my nail on my right hand ring finger off the nail bed and one corner of the root is out....GROSSS i know (sorry), but she said to leave it, it's going to fall off anyway, but she gave me a tetanus shot, and my arm is soo sore today :o((( Does this shot have side effects??? Needless to say I feel like poo-poo tonite, in general, strange headache (again...been getting those lately often) aches here and there, which of course kick in anxiety mode so the pvc's kicked in afterall, during the day was quiet, but last nite they were bad too, but come to think of it, I am mid-cycle and could be that also!! Anyone else feeling real bad and am I the only 'whiner' tonite???

Well thanks for listening to me vent....

have a good weekend

Barb.......

Doctors can be harsh. Just relax and do not take anything without knowing
all the information. Because if you are not having any new symptoms and
there is nothing underlying wrong besides your heart doing the polka you
will be ok. You may think you will not but you will. Trust me!!!!! We
will pull you through.
Christine

Yes, mam!!!! I have!!!! The only trouble is letting go but now that I am
aware of it I keep it in mind daily. Just let go. No big deal. Things
will be ok. I did get to see my doctor today and the Klonopin is causing
the twitches and muscle spasms and I am addicted to it. So, I am to wean
off of it and try Buspar again because the Buspar was working (or at least
trying to) but I was having withdrwals from not taking the Klonopin and
thought it was the Buspar causing the way I was feeling. Jimminy.....Did
you all understand that? But doctor still believes it is sezuires I am
having and I am going for futher test and I will see him in 10 days.
Christine

message to jackie,
if you are not on any other meds i don't think there
is any reason why you couldn't start yourself on a
cal/mag supp. my own cardio said that he would want
to avoid meds like the plague with me since they all
have side effects. he said take your herbs and supps
as they are harmless.(he also doesn't think they work)
here is my current cocktail that i take twice daily
AM
cal/mag combo citrate complex 250 mag ang 300 cal
magnesium citrate complex 500 mg
hawtorn berry 1500 mg
co10 50mg
pm
all the above plus
evening primrose oil (1500 mg) for me it eliminates
ALL pms!
omega-3 oils 500 mg
vit e 400 - 800 iu
i recommend natures way or mothernature.com
if i stay on this i have virtually no pvc's. last
november i was having them nonstop morn till nite and
they were making me very tired.
also i have found that if i am having a pvc run if i
go for a walk or lift some hand weights they stop.
its the nite that bothers me the most, when i lay down
to relax.
anyway that is what works for me, i think? and i am
not even considering beta blockers at this point.

hi chris, ive just been to see my own gp to ask her if i can start on the
magnesium as ive heard it may do some good.
guess what, she said ive to wait until ive seen my hospital doctor as he may
want to try me on another beta blocker !!
talk about trial and error. here's me trying to help myself and them, i feel
as though everyone's in the medical profession knows me better than i know
myself.
well, july 18th i see the hospital and, if nothing is done i'm about to take
matters in my own hands. after all they dont do a damned thing for me.
i'll let you know of events as they take place !!
bye for now, jackie.

In a message dated 07/05/2000 11:45:03 AM Central Daylight Time,
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<< I think I need to loosen up and just let things go and let God is
all.
I do believe you've found your answer, Christine!!

hi chris, just reading through your e-mail, and i too am coming up with the
conclusion that, if what the docs say, its not dangerous, its not life
threatening ect, and the fact that it can be lived with without the meds ect
then i too am willing to fight the bloody things without it !
i have had them for 3or more years now and only recently went on beta
blockers for 3 months with no effect at all apart from it sent my heart
racing and god knows what else so they took me off them.
ive had nothing since and am going to consider asking my doc for a script for
some magnesium. Well we shall have to see how things go ! lol.
best wishes which ever way you decide to go !!!!
jackie.

Ok thanks! Just wondering if it was a common side effect or not. Hopefully
the doc will not cancel on me again tom. and I can unload on him. It is all
coming to an end as far as the doctors go. If this all is just anxiety with
pvc's then I will adjust on my own. No medicine. Anxiety is just a dumb
disease to me. I just do not get it. I am glad there is medicine out there
for people who need it and maybe with all the fight I will have to be on it
anyways. I think I need to loosen up and just let things go and let God is
all.
Christine

great advice about the chelated etc.
keep up the good work !
jackie.

In a message dated 07/04/2000 7:35:55 PM Central Daylight Time,
sosaustr@... writes:
<< I'm glad you didn't find my concepts too loony!!!
Just a little loony. (LOL...just kidding). My library has that book so I put
a reserve on it and will be picking it up very soon. At Amazon.com they had
40 reviews of it by readers who loved it. Hey, I'll trade a sore neck for
PVC's anyday. Looking over your list, I've had lots of those things, too.
Low back pain for sure....this Dr. Sarno was on 20/20 a few months ago....he
has done amazing things with curing backpain with a group of people who do
nothing but attend a day long seminar where he explains his theories. That's
all it takes!! Kind of hard to believe, but hey, I'm keeping an open mind to
anything when it comes to PVC's.
My 4th of July was a blast. About 50 people (all family except my husband
and myself)...but they treated us like long-lost family. A big, loving,
Texas family...and they spent $1,000 on fireworks which thankfully didn't
maim anybody. We had one doctor there so that helped. LOL On this ranch,
the matriarch of the group spent the morning shooting snakes with a shotgun
'cuz she knew her grandbabies would be playing in the grass. Love these
Texas Ladies!! LOL (Sorry if I just offended any animal lovers....I love
them too, but when it comes to choosing between a rattler and a grandchild,
I'd shoot the snake, too.)
Hugs,
Suzy

We can't cancel you. Go to egroups.com and cancel there.

hi Suzy
what you said about your pvc's virtually disappearing when you moved to
Texas really rang a bell with me. When I moved to Darwin in the Northern
Territory some years ago and spent 4 years up there away from family
pressures etc. I enjoyed the best health I had ever had.
Here's a little bit from the book -
Psychosomatic (MindBody) Disorders include the following:
Most low back and leg pain
Most neck, shoulder and arm pain
Fibromyalgia
Myofascial pain syndrome
TMJ (jaw joint)
Carpal tunnel syndrome
Repetitive Stress injury
Chronic Fatigue syndrome
Benign disorders of the cardiac mechanism
Genitourinary disorders
* not to mention several others he talks about
Looking back over my life since the age of around 16 I have had urinary
frequency, back pain, leg pain, neck pain, been diagnosed with fibromyalgia,
tmj and cardiac arrhythmia.
This is why finding this book has been an absolute godsend.
The most validating thing for me is after reading it I had a good long talk
with my brain and for the last two days - no pvc's BUT this morning I had a
sudden attack of neck pain - the excrutiating kind where you can't turn your
head sideways. It's like "ok you won't let your heart flutters divert your
attention away from your emotions so let's create something else". Anyway
to cut a long story short this type of neck pain usually has me flat on my
back for a week or so but today I've driven into the city and am at work and
basically ignoring the pain and concentrating on what I might be feeling
emotionally. I'll let you know how it goes!
I'm glad you didn't find my concepts too loony!!!
Love Susan
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In a message dated 07/04/2000 10:15:28 AM Central Daylight Time,
CHRISJ817@... writes:
<< Suzy,
Do you get twitching with the Klonopin? or muscle spasms?
Christine
Nope.

Suzy,
Do you get twitching with the Klonopin? or muscle spasms?
Christine

Please cancel my subscription!!!!

Suzy
Try to ensure you are getting 300-350mg of "elemental" mg. It should say on
the bottle the elemental amount as well as the other amounts.
Susan

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Jackie,
One of the things that I've learned here is that we're all different.
But in my case,what seems to be working for me is a holistic
approach, both body and mind. I take Mg, make sure I get my
potassium and calcium in food (bananas, dairy) daily, I work out
regularly (helps with the stress). I stopped all caffeine and MSG
completely, because I suspect those substances are triggers for me
(no more eating out Chinese..... sigh). For a while I saw a health
psychologist who helped me with the anxiety surrounding the pvc's, in
terms of trying to head off stress and anticipatory anxiety before it
leads to pvc's, and also dealing with the anxiety when they start
up. I'm like some people on the list where I'll have a run of a few
days or a couple weeks where I'll have thousands per day, then
they'll stop completely and I'll go for weeks or maybe months without
any. Anyway, you have to see what works for you, but I'd say that
medication and a combination of a holistic approach would be a good
start.............
Anyway, hope this helps.
-john

Thanks Deb. It's a tough time. All you can do is get up every day
and appreciate the world a little bit more.
-john

Gotta sign off for a week or so due to maintence on my computer. Good luck to you all.

dlk, B.S., B.S.E., M.S.

Susan,
Chelated, okay, I will go for it........ I don't know if it's as
readily available here as in Oz ;-), but I'm going to try and find it.
Hope you're feeling better............. It's hard to IGNORE the
damned things, but when they come on for me, I get up immediately and
do anything I can to distract myself.............
-john

Mickey...I'm a bit confused...why should the kangaroo hold such special
signifigance for ME ? love, DEB !! :-)

In a message dated 07/03/2000 9:36:04 AM Central Daylight Time,
jackieslack@... writes:
<< i may ask the doc to start me on the atenolol, ive been on a beta blocker
(sotalol)
but with bad results, it actually made my heart race after 3 months i was
taken off it and have had no medication since so, as you can gather i'm
anxious to try something else.i'm also going to give the mg a try but, on
the
docs orders i dont want to try anything and make matters worse !
good luck.
jackie.
Hi, Jackie....
When my palps were the worst, my doctor put me on Klonopin and the next day
they disappeared!! Of course, they came back, but the Klonopin (an
anti-anxiety drug) definately helped at that time. Now I'm practically PVC
free and I'm not sure what is making that happen, so I'm hesitant to stop
anything that I'm doing now.<smile
beta-blocker) and I take magnesium, calcium, and a baby aspirin. Of course,
getting married and moving to Texas has greatly reduced my stress which just
may be the culprit after all. I'm switching from magnesium oxide to chelated
magnesium as soon as I find it.
Regarding the chelated magnesium, what is the recommended dose again, anyone??
Suzy

Hi, thanx for your advice :- dont start anything without the docs advice. I
wish my doc was like yours, think we could swap for a while !!!! lol
you have to laugh cos if you dont you may feel like doing something reeeealy
stupid
i thinck i'll have to ask my doc over the atenolol, it might be worth a try
if they dont make your heart race ! god, how the last lot of beta blockers
did. I didn't know where my next heart beat was coming from or going to for
that matter.
anyhow, bye for now.
jackie.

Jackie,
Good luck and you're right...never start OR stop a beta blocker or any
medications for that matter without doctor supervision. I am lucky..going
to the dr's office make me nervous but my doc is my parents'
next-door-neighbor so I just walk over and talk to him.
He told me how to wean off and it worked.
Good luck to you ...I've never heard of that beta blocker you were on.
But the attenolol will not make your heart race. It can make it slow down a
bit so people with bradycardia should not take that one. Good luck.
Deborah

I do hope you feel better. I have had a bad day too. I am feeling
horrible. My jaw hurts and it is hard to breath. But the best thing of all
is I have twitching now and muscle spasms that feel like elcetrical charges.
It is real fun and to come to find out that can be side effects from the
anti-anxiety medicine. I can not believe this and I am really depressed. I
guess I am not helping you much am I. Sorry. I do hope the walk around the
office helps and your heart just goes into a relaxing mode.
Christine

Hi, i'm sorry to hear that you're having a bad day, mine too come in runs
like yours, i've been having them now for three yrs, some days i'm the same i
dont know how to cope etc.
are you on medication ? and how long have you had them ?
keep intouch, jackie.

good luck with the free period off palps (hope theyve gone for good)
thanks for the message, its nice to know that someone else knows what you're
going through and that they have either been there are still are.
good luck.
jackie.

many thanx for the info on magnesium and also the coq10, which as i thought
could have a very different effect, dont think i'll try the latter but could
definitely be trying the mg.
jackie.

thanx for your e-mail, i'm happy to see you are practically pv free !
i may ask the doc to start me on the atenolol, ive been on a beta blocker
(sotalol)
but with bad results, it actually made my heart race after 3 months i was
taken off it and have had no medication since so, as you can gather i'm
anxious to try something else.i'm also going to give the mg a try but, on the
docs orders i dont want to try anything and make matters worse !
good luck.
jackie.

hi john, you say mg could be helping but you have also been doing other
things, what other things do you think may have contributed to you being
better than you were ?
ANY help appreciated !!
jackie.

Hi anyone
I'm having such a bad day - even as I sit here typing this on my computer
screen my heart is dropping pvc/pac's like crazy. Normal beat, flutter, big
long pause etc.
It's soo hard to get a grip when it's like this. I just want to run away
from work and go home.
Why do these things keep coming back and where's the logic in all of this?
I just feel like crying - I guess I'm feeling sorry for myself but these
affect my life so much and there's days where I feel I just can't stand it
anymore.
How can anything that feels this bad possibly be benign - any why doesn't
everybody get it. I know they say everyone gets them but you couldn't
possibly get these and not feel them. Especially when they come in runs.
I feel really scared now so I'm going to walk around the office a bit in the
hope that this will calm me down.
Susan
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Hi John
I take the chelated kind - I find it readily available at health food
stores. I take a doseage of 1000mg which on my bottle works out to be
elemental mg of around 320mg. Hope this info helps. If you get desparate a
doctor can prescribe a tablet called slow-mag which I think is the chelated
variety. Or there is a company called Golden Neo-Life Diamite (GNLD) which
manufacture a product called Cal-Mag which is apparently double chelated.
Regards Susan

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Jackie,
No, no Rx needed. I've found that my pvc's are better after taking
Mg, but I've been doing other things also to help, so I don't know
how much Mg has had an effect. But I don't think there's any way you
could get worse taking Mg.........
-john

hi, many thanx for your e-mail re magnesium, I shall have to use the search
engine then to find out what coq10 is ! that should be a laugh !
how long have you had pvs ?
ive had mine approx 3 years and still cant come to terms with the docs !
i was on beta blocker sotalol for about 3 months but they made by heart rate
sky high so i came off them and am not taking anything at present.
Is there anything that you would recommend ? or anything you find makes them
better or worse ?
appreciate ANY info !
take care. jackie.

Hi there Distressed (aren't we all<smile
CoQ10....I don't know much about it and would recommend you do a search at
altavista.com....you'll become an expert very quickly
magnesium....I take magnesium oxide 'cuz it's the one available at the
grocery store and it's cheap....but I AM going to switch to chelated
Magnesium 'cuz I've heard it's better....more "available" to your system....I
think I might have to go to a healthfood store for this one.
Stay calm....and repeat to yourself constantly "BENIGN BENIGN BENIGN BENIGN
BENIGN BENIGN BENIGN BENIGN"
Suzy/Texas

hi, can anyone out there tell me what coq10 is ?
also, whats the difference between magnesium oxide and chelated mag ?
many thanx, a distressed palp female.
jackie.

I got that when I had my first surgery(that brought all this out) about two
days afterward. And it would come and go but I also could not stand up and
it made real dizzy. I remember having to crawl every where at home or go
back to bed. I know the feeling and now,8 months later, I will get it
occasionally. Who knows and the doctors, I think, are just bored with me
now.
Christine

Hi, folks. Well, along with my daily PVCs I occasionally get another
weird heart sensation. I can just be sitting and doing nothing, and
my
heart speeds up for a few seconds. I wouldn't say it races or thuds
really hard, it just speeds up to about 100 or so beats per minute
(my
usual resting rate is about 60). It only happens maybe once a month
or
less, so I haven't worried about it very much. I was just wondering
if
anyone else has had this experience. Thanks!
Kathy

Hi Susan,
Excellent source of info on magnesium, thanks! I've credited
magnesium with helping me, but I've been taking magnesium oxide,
which this article says is not absorbed that well. I looked at the
label on my bottle of MgO2, there is nothing on there about how much
"elemental magnesium" is in each tablet. What have people found most
effective? Chelated Mg? Mg aspartate? And where the heck do you
find it, because the drugstores around my area only carry MgO2.....
Health food or specialty store? Internet source?
I've been having an unnaturally good few weeks without many
pvc's....... Some of us seem to be turning it around. I hope
that the rest of the people here follow suit.......
-john

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I can have some alcohol, but not as much as before!! After the palps
started 4 years ago, I totally gave up alcohol and caffein. Then I
realized I was still having palps, so why not have a few every once in a
while. But if I overdo the alcohol, like I did a few fridays ago, I
feel anxious the next morning. I had a few extra skips when I woke up,
which kicked me into panic mode, which gave me a few more skips. After
taking it easy all day, I finally felt better.
Melissa

Hi Rob,
I too fit in the catagory of aerobic exerciser; I
run about 3 miles a day (5-6 days/wk).
The exercise, in my mind, has a lot of benefits I
need; mainly it help keeps my weight, BP, and
cholesterol in check. Plus I feel great when I
run. Its usually the best I feel during the day.
When I had my stress test, I still had PAC/PVCs
all during the test, I just didn't feel them. I
also think they were less frequent, but am not
sure. Stopping exercising will be my last ditch
try if nothing else helps.
As I said before that some spicy food will make
the PVCs worse, I also notice that a good sweat
will reduce them (as in after exercise). My theory
is that its not the electrolytes, its the sodium
(i.e. salt). Most spicy food has a high sodium
content and you loose salt when you sweat. One of
the things I want to try is to restrict my sodium
intake and see if that helps... its a lot easier
said than done. I think I'm one of those whose BP
is sensitive to sodium intake, so all these may be
related for me.
-bruce

Enjoy your new home Lisa.!!! Yes change can be very good!!!!!
Mickey

In a message dated 06/27/2000 5:21:15 PM Central Daylight Time,
ltite@... writes:
<< Potassium is the only one they actually name on the Gatorade label. I just
read it yesterday, coincidentally!!
LOL,
Lisa
Isn't there a lot of salt (sodium) in Gatorade??
Suzy

Potassium is the only one they actually name on the Gatorade label. I just
read it yesterday, coincidentally!!
LOL,
Lisa

Hey out there in palp land!
Sounds like some of us are doing good. I'm going to try and increase my
magnesium, it seems to be helping others, I only take 250mg a day, that is when
I remember. I was wondering if anyone has become intolerant to alchohol. Well I
used to drink heavily as a young adult. That was 15 years ago. I do enjoy a
glass or two of wine on the weekends, or a vodka tonic, or even just a beer or
two. Buuuuuuuut, the last 4 times I have tried to drink it, I have gone into a
sort of rush episode. My hearts races, then I break out into a sweat, and all
the usual things that go with my palpatations. This will last for about an hour
even after only 1/2 of a drink. This is completely different from my regular
palpatations, as I do not get a rapid pulse with them, and I do not sweat.
Haven't touched the stuff for about three months, sure wish I could sometimes.
By the way, I was not on any type of medication at those times. Wonder what
thats all about. Anyone else has this let me know. Might have to do with not
having my gallbladder anymore? I don't know.
Good luck to all that a PVC free right now. God Bless You and everyone on this
site
Original Message:

Hey all! I am MOVING tomorrow to Mankato, MN, about 60 miles away. I'm
keeping my internet for a few days "as is" (long distance dial-up!) just
until I figure out what's available down there, etc. Meanwhile, I won't
forget about you all, and will look forward to letting you know when I get
back "on"!!!
I'll be unplugging late tonight, then resubscribing with a new name as soon
as I get it together...
Lisa

I just do calathestics(sp). As for the electrolytes , hold on and I will
wake my husband and ask, you lose mostly sodium but some potassium and maybe
magnesium but it is usaully mostly sodium.
Christine

In a message dated 06/27/2000 11:24:07 AM Central Daylight Time,
rpdalton@... writes:
<< Electrolytes theory? Which electrolytes
do you lose when you sweat a lot?
Probably those listed on a Gatorade label??
Suzy

In a message dated 06/27/2000 10:23:23 AM Central Daylight Time,
great1108@... writes:
<< also three fish oil capsules
which contain high omega 3 fatty acids. Fish oils (so i've read) are
supposed to be good for the heart (and arrythmias)
Think I'll try this, too. Hey, it can't hurt.
Suzy

Well dont feel alone my palpatatind friend mine are bacl after weeeks
of quiteness. boom boom boom is all i feel and im 8 days away from my
period. I had a great weekend and them boom they started back. cant
seem to do anything to calm them down. I exercise have lost over 80
pounds with the help of T.O.P.S and changed all my habits but nothing
seems to help. Maybe i need to get fat again a nd start smoking i had
less palps. i have alot coming up in the next few weeks and need to
control my emotions and get trough all this.Audrey how bout Cassidy
Rose sounds really pretty. My girlfriends going in for c-section
tomorrow and i will get to go i hope i dont palp out lol.....Well
habging in there boom booom booooom is my motto this week...Hugs,
Dawn

You really like Texas, uh? I guess I do too. The summers can be hard and
......well never mind. It is nice to go up North and see the pretty country
up ther every now and then. I go up there AND I do not want to come home.
But once we hit Texas soil again I want to get out and kiss the ground. The
strangest thing.
Christine

Hi Bruce,
In going back over my year long bout with PVCs I realize two
important facts. Last year I was so scared I stopped the heavy
exercycling I did every other day. Within two months my PVCs dropped
in frequency tremendously. I don't even know how many per hour I was
having, but it wasn't many. I normally have 3 to 10/min. After a
clean stress test last year (no PVCs) on my cardio's advice I
restarted exercycling.
I stopped exercycling again this year (couple weeks back) to see if I
could again reduce the number of PVCs. I've had some PVC free
periods of a hour or so (rare for me), but I don't yet know if the
frequency will reduce as much as last year (I estimate 100:1
reduction last year). One article written by a doctor says that
exercise can sometimes increase PVCs with some people and decrease
them for others. However you'll never hear a cardio suggest
reducing your exercise. I wonder how many of us with frequent PVCs
are aerobic exercisers?
The second interestinmg thing I noticed is that if I'm out in the
summer heat and break out in a shirt soaking sweat, my PVCs
dissappear. I can't say this is a guaranteed rule, but I've noticed
it on several occassions. Electrolytes theory? Which electrolytes
do you lose when you sweat a lot?
Rob
--- In PeoplewithPVCs@egroups.com, bruce green <bruce.green@m...

Melissa
What's the site address? I would be really interested to read it.
Thanks
Susan

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Hi all,
I have been palpitation free (well almost) for the last week or so
and I really do put it down to magnesium which I started taking about
one month ago. I have been taking 450mgs of chelated magnesium (which
apparently the body absorbs better) and also three fish oil capsules
which contain high omega 3 fatty acids. Fish oils (so i've read) are
supposed to be good for the heart (and arrythmias) so maybe they have
also contributed to my state of wellbeing.
Maybe its psychological but I feel wonderful at the moment and happy
to be alive. The sun is shining, life is good, and my heart is
behaving as it should!!
I must say i've had this 'hope' many times in the past when I think
i've found a cure for this malady only to be cursed again with the
dreaded affliction.
Anyway, in the meantime, i'm enjoying my respite and just hope my new
'cure' lasts.
Gill

Not that anybody should get too excited about this, but I'm changing
my screenname for this group to TexasTranquility. Long story. (My
other name is being used for my business stuff...this one is for
personal stuff.)
Be good,
Suzy Finigan

Hi suzy
I'm plalpatating, been pretty good until three days ago, but today I started by
period, so thats par for the course, I always feel really bad a few days before
and during. Thats life.
I said just do it last friday. I joined weight watchers, it was only twenty
bucks, which is really alot for me, but I had to do something, I feel really
uncomfortable. According to my scale I have lost three pounds already, but I
guess I will see come this friday when I weigh in and pay my 11 bucks. That
won't be happening every week! I figure I'll see if they show the same progress
as my scale, and then I will go with my scale from now on, unless I feel I need
the support, I will attend a meeting.
Hope you feel better!
Tammy
Original Message:

--- In PeoplewithPVCs@egroups.com, "Suzy Finigan" <suzyjean1220@a...
Hey Suzy,
Yes, I have been palpitating here and there. Just trying to ignore
it. I have been working out on my rowing machine for about two weeks
and everytine I get on that thing it seems to act up a bit. It has
improved the last two times though. Maybe it is cause I have not done
such a cardio workout in a long time. I also am extremely tired after
a busy weekend at my nephews wedding and then the circus yesterday.
When I finally laid down after all the commotion my heart did a bit
of a congo beat. I ignored them and went to sleep. damned, annoying
things!!!!!! They never bothered me once when I was doing the congo
beat at the wedding! It was like a 4 hour cardio workout! and
nothing! Anyway, I have been here just reading mostly. Catch ya
later, babe!(smile)
mickey
Nobody's palpitating?? We've all been cured?? We are all in

HI Bruce
Yeah, I was sure that the weight gain and fatigue was out of the ordinary. Even
with the gallbladder surgery and its problems, I seemed to take to long to
recover. I have been seeing a doctor. He's a regular doctor not a specialist,
but my history with specialists has not been to good. They are very pompas and
do not listen. At least this doctor listens. He is the one that put me on the
serzone. I told him about the weight gain, his reply was maybe I need to gain
it, NOT!!! He is very large, he must be pushing 300 lbs. But he ordered my
blood work results that I had from the cartiologist. He said he would sit down
and explain them one by one to me on our next appointment. I go to him Monday
(26th). I'll let ya all know what happens.
Thanks so much for all of the support.
Original Message:

susan
Thanks so much for the info on sustenase. I will order some. Is it natural
and can you take it with prescription drugs such as serzone. I am paranoid
about taking anything.
Tammy
Original Message:

Liz
What exactly is coq10, is it ok to take with prescription drugs ie serzone?
Original Message:

May you have a wondeful birthday and MANY more. The doctor canceled on me
today because of an emergency. So,.....I am glad it was not me and sorry
for whoever it was. The funeral was awful. The funeral home just made it
soo bad. It is going to be awhile to get over this one. And a phone call
to let them know just how I feel. I still feel pretty losey with whatever
is going on with me and I really wanted to see the doctor today. Something
is not right and I can feel it. Besides, my husband is being my daddy
instead of my partner. It just makes the day go good, ya know.
Take care all,
Christine

hi all
i haven't posted much this week. It's the end of the financial year and my
job has been hectic and i'm sooooo tired.
There's been a lot of talk about magnesium on the site lately so i thought
i'd throw in my two cents worth and let you know about magnesium according
to my cardiologist.
Take the chelated variety in a dose ranging from 500-1000mg per day. Reduce
the dose if you get diarrhoea that doesn't settle down.
Be patient.....if your intracellular levels of mg are low it will take
several months on the therapy to restore to normal levels.
Don't take magnesium if you have kidney/renal disease without first checking
with your specialist.
Keep a supply of magnesium in another place (ie work, car) so if you forget
to take it at home you can take it sometime that day - a regular constant
supply works best.
Well - it's Friday - woohoo!!! I have a busy weekend on our farm - our
horse is being shod, the sheep are pregnant and ready to lamb soon and we
have 2 tons of firewood to store in the wood shed!!
My lovely partner is taking me shopping in the city on Sunday for my
birthday which is on Monday -
i'll be 39 (boo hoo). As a friend said to me recently - just think only 12
more credit card bills until you're 40!!!
On that note - I think i'll go and do some work and try to forget the big 40
that's looming (smiles)
Susan
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Tammy
I'll bet your gall bladder removal has contributed to your weight gain. My
mum had hers removed a few years ago - started to put on weight and then her
doctor told her to take natural digestive enzymes with every meal. Well
that really worked and her weight gain dropped away and her digestion
improved heaps. There's an excellent digestive enzyme tablet available.
It's called Sustenase and is available from Life Plus PO Box 3749,
Batesville, Arkansas. I think Life Plus have a web page. I take this
enzyme because I have had irritable bowel syndrome for the last 6 years and
since taking it I have been sooooo much better. I live in Australia so
actually have to order it from the US but I think its worth it. Hope this
may help.
Love Susan

etc. But they really know how to love, hug, snuggle, kiss, and play. I have
two boys 5 years old and one girl 6 years old going on 13, I guess girls are
like that now Seems I remember my mom didn't start saying that until I was
10 going on 15. One of the boys that is 5 is my fiance's son. My fiance is
a police officer so we have really strange schedules. Mostly I have the
kids. I have been trying to walk each morning when I can. I just can't seem
to get the gumption up in the evening. By the time I can, it is late. Also
heard of the new weight watchers point system diet. They have a meeting
tomarrow, I thought I would try it. I am used to being thin about 135-140
and I am 5'6". I just can't handle this extra weight.(155) I feel really
lousy and uncomfortable. I could do all of this last year! I don't know
what has happened lately. I might mention that last September I had my
gallbladder taken ou!
15 days, not that I didn't try to tell the doctors that there was something
wrong, I went by ambulance to the er 4 times before it was finally diagnosed
by another hospital. It took forever to recover from that, I still have
emotional problems over that ordeal, and to top things off, I still have the
same pain in my side as before surgery.

Andrea
I have nothing but admiration for you. In my last job my boss was
constantly on the "porn" web sites on the computer in my office. I just
can;t believe he could do that and not be embarrassed - I mean....get a
life!! Anyway I got so sick of it I left and got another job. I should
have gone down the road that you have - I hope it goes well. Don;t feel
guilty and yes I'll pray for you. Nobody - male or female should be subject
to any kind of harrassment in the work place
From Susan (who's been there and should have done something!!)

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tammi---hang in there. sounds like you have had a lot
on your plate in the last year. try the coq10 50mg 3x
daily and see if if help pvc and engery level!
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Hi Liz!
Yes they all know how to walk, talk, and fight, scwabble, tease, hit, kick etc.
But they really know how to love, hug, snuggle, kiss, and play. I have two boys
5 years old and one girl 6 years old going on 13, I guess girls are like that
now Seems I remember my mom didn't start saying that until I was 10 going on
15. One of the boys that is 5 is my fiance's son. My fiance is a police officer
so we have really strange schedules. Mostly I have the kids. I have been trying
to walk each morning when I can. I just can't seem to get the gumption up in the
evening. By the time I can, it is late. Also heard of the new weight watchers
point system diet. They have a meeting tomarrow, I thought I would try it. I am
used to being thin about 135-140 and I am 5'6". I just can't handle this extra
weight.(155) I feel really lousy and uncomfortable. I could do all of this last
year! I don't know what has happened lately. I might mention that last
September I had my gallbladder taken out. It was a nighmare, I ended up with a
bile leak that went undetected for 15 days, not that I didn't try to tell the
doctors that there was something wrong, I went by ambulance to the er 4 times
before it was finally diagnosed by another hospital. It took forever to recover
from that, I still have emotional problems over that ordeal, and to top things
off, I still have the same pain in my side as before surgery.
Go figure. Not to trusting in doctors.
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I have a lot of luck with Hawthorn Berry combined with L-Taurine. I
take 1000 mg twice a day of each.
I spent considerable amount of money on accupuncture with absolutely no
success.
Peter St.Onge

Hi Gang,
Hope all of you are doing well. Well, I took the plunge and started taking
the Atenonol. My doc told me to take half a pill because I'm on Klonopin.
My doc put me on that because I am going through a sexual harassment suit at
work and stress has been high, high, high.
I let loose and told the HR person every inappropriate sexual comment or
thing he has done and many other unethical, illegal things he has done. I'm
in it deep so pray for me. thanks.
Andrea

only in a bottle, is a enzyme that occurs naturally in
the body but depletes as we age. not sure how/why it
works, but there is a lot written about it. look in
natural foods section of a store for a pamphlet.
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Is this coq10 found in foods? Or is it only something you can get in
a bottle?
Mickey

to tammy- in your first email you did not mention that
you ALSO have three kids under 6. let's see, you work
full-time, have to commute, take care of three kids
and wonder why your so tired....yep that would make
anybody very tired---especially if the third child has
starting walking recently. i have two kids 6 and 18
months and i am really beat at the end of the day. i
have been taking the c0enzyme q10 for some months and
think its has helped the pvc's as well as my engery
level. it's an OTC herbal remedy but is kind of
pricey. i have found takng 50mg with 2 hawthorn caps
(also OTC) 3 times daily seems to help.
by the way, COq10 is also being given to open heart
patients to reduce the number of postop pvc's,
interesting huh. my dad had open heart last december
and he now takes it for increased heart function.
also, if there is anyway for you to exercise please do
it. even a 30 minute walk 4x a week will make a
difference in your engery level. you don't mention
your husband, is he willing to pitch in and hang with
the kids while you exercise? i also keep 8 lb weights
handy and use them off/on throughout the week. try
getting some for the office and lift while printing a
document or talking on the phone.
hope this helps.................
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In a message dated 06/21/2000 5:11:09 PM Central Daylight Time,
malong@... writes:
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Suzy, I sure hope it's all that and more!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you find
out before the rest of us will you come back to let us know just how
wonderful it really is?
Hey hey hey.....just cuz I'm 49 doesn't mean I've got one foot in the grave.
I'm living until I'm 95, remember? You little twerp. :-)

hi again, i forgot to ask whats c0q10 3x daily. is it another type of beta
blocker.
thanx, jackie

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Christine,
A couple of months ago my brother in law complained of strong smells.
He had a cat scan done, but nothing was found. Now this happened. and
he is very tired and dizzy.
Hope you're having a good day today.
Mickey
I am not blacking out like that. I get irregular beats and my hands

Are you still here?

hello everyone
I haven't been around much for the last few days. It's a really terrible
time at work due to the end of the financial year (I'm an accountant) and
also the introduction of tax reform in Australia. Big changes!!
To make matters worse today it's cold and raining (sob).
Has anyone else noticed any weather patterns with their pvc's? I notice I
will get them when it's very cold or very hot. But...the rain just makes me
feel gloomy!!
To all the women out there - I'm in the second phase of my cycle and once
again using the progesterone cream with excellent results (no pvc's).
However last cycle they kicked in with a vengeance during my 7 day break
from the cream. I recently had my hormone levels measured and am waiting
for the results. I'll keep you all posted - I've had one result back
already and it shows I am not menopausal yet!!
I've been planning a surprise birthday lunch at a restaurant for my partner
in July. It's really hard trying to keep it from him and organise guests,
menu, cake etc. etc. The other day I was running around planning it all and
suddenly thought "oh no what if I get pvc's during the party - what have I
done"! I think this is a good example of how our minds can sometimes get us
into trouble. It's all the "what ifs" and negative thoughts that feed the
anxiety over these darn things!!! Anyway I guess I've rambled enough - it's
nice to be back.
p.s. it's the winter solstice today (shortest day of the year - which is
probably why I feel grumpy!!)
Susan
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Hi all
Its 4.55pm Friday here and I'm turning off my computer and packing up my
desk - thank goodness for weekends!!
Hope everyone has a lovely weekend. We're painting a horse stable this
weekend and my partners two little girls are coming for the weekend.
Hope everyone is as PVC free as possible over the next few days until I log
in again.
Luv Susan
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I was using beer (Rolling Rock) to calm me down, and it was working
for awhile there, but I should probably try something non-alcoholic.
You've had these for 5 years, and you're just 27, Gordon. My
goodness! This is why this site is so good for me; it humbles me
when I think I've got it bad.
I'll let you back to work, and thank you for taking time out of your
busy day to help comfort me tonight...I mean this morning. You have
a great afternoon over there in Singapore, okay?

Hi all,
I have really been bothered by my PVC's lately. I have talked with a few
people online and have made up my mind that I am going to assert my rights and
demand that I be seen by another cardiologist for another opinion. I want to
make sure I get the necessary tests to make sure that these are not life
threatening. I am not on any meds for them and will try meds only after I
find out for sure that they are not going to kill me. I am so annoyed at how
I have been treated. They say "ignore them". Easier said than done. They are
scary. Thanks for listening.
Andrea

Does anyone know a good therapist that does ABA VB
in or near Plainfield, IL? I would appreciate the help.
Thanks,
Rose